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Would have put some phono stage in their $23K preamp. There is a $16K power amp at the site to go with this pre. Only inexpensive phono pre's on the site though. There is a $2,200 one but I'd never spend $23K on a line stage and then spend only a little over $2K on a phono stage.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
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Seems to me that we are confusing price with quality. A $2K phono stage can be just as accurate as a $200K one. What a phono stage does isn't that difficult. Making a good one isn't that expensive. Price is not an indicator of quality. It's an indicator of price.
When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey
Atma-Sphere Music Systems controls the patent for a servo control of a Circlotron circuit in the US.
Thorens is a long established company. The cost of developing a state of the art product has to be balanced with the number of units they can sell.. So they stay in business instead of going belly up.
So...
They may feel there are enough buyers of preamps and power amps to make a profit on high end models. But NOT enough buyers of a really high priced phono box to make it worthwhile to even invest in designing one.
Just build what was built in the past using existing designs.
"I can't compete with the dead" (Buck W. 2010)
"It would take me forever. I don't think I have forever" (Byrd 2015)
If you think about most systems at this level, I see very few that don't include a turntable of some kind.
In fact, I can't remember the time I saw pictures of ultra high end systems that didn't have a nice turntable sitting somewhere.
But perception isn't true market research and you may be correct. Or maybe in the ultra high end a separate phono preamp is expected.
... but I'd never spend $23K on a line stage ... FULL STOP
Just sayin'...
Cheers
Welly
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams
Well if I was a multimillionaire I'd have to find some crap to buy.....
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Agreed :-) ... but I don't believe that I'd spend that much on one component...
Cheers
Welly
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife.
- Douglas Adams
I've thought this through for some stupid reason. I'd have four each of the following monoblocks:Atma-Sphere MA-3
Pass big class A thingsSpecial floor vents to send air from the front of the amps then collect the air from behind them to keep the room cool.
A Quad ESL 63 array of four per side
Focal Grand Utopias
Some Wilson's
Biggest Maggie's
Avante Garde TriosSeparate cinderblock building with brick outside, copper shielding paint, copper roof. 20 12V gel cell batts Vin series parallel with a custom made inverter @120hz. Solar array to charge them, no power company feed. No windows.
I could go on but will stop there
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Edits: 08/21/16
$23k for a preamp is a bit spendy ... perhaps the unit is designed
for those who (1) have excess funds, (2) think that cost = quality/fidelity, or (3) just want to be able to impress their (tin eared)
friends with how much money they can spend on audio components.
Give me $23k and I can give you a truly killer system and refund you
some!
23,000 bucks wouldn't build a system that would knock my socks off, unless you were talking 20 year old used gear. But that was not what we were talking about, that was the price of new gear. 23K may be a bit more than I would pay for a pre-amp but it's not that far from the cost of seriously good gear.
I'm OK with a $23K pre, I just think since it is a Thorens with their phono tradition it should have a phono stage and a good one. Seeing their best outboard stage is only $2,200 is weak but maybe that dealer doesn't have it but I doubt it. They surely don't stock the high dollar stuff and that leads me to believe Thorens doesn't have a high dollar one.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Folks who have money? IMO it is their money.
Folks who whine about the rich? LOL.
For that price, they should have thrown in a turntable AND preamp.
23K? YGBFKM
"I can't compete with the dead" (Buck W. 2010)
"It would take me forever. I don't think I have forever" (Byrd 2015)
nt
According to the 6moons review.
Click here for BIG pic.
nt
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