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In Reply to: RE: Some ramblings about mics and speakers. posted by beppe61 on April 30, 2016 at 06:17:45
When the recording style compliments the dispersion characteristics of the speaker system, soundstaging seems better. When the recording style clashes with the dispersion characteristics of the speakers system, soundstaging seems worse. Because room reflections always influence the way recordings sound in a loudspeaker system, no speaker is "best" at soundstaging - it largely depends on recording/loudspeaker synergy.The point is further driven home, in a roundabout way, when you switch over to headphones. Recordings that were mic'd to produce strong left/right spatial cues will seem to "soundstage" much less realistically than recordings mic'd for a more diffuse sounding mix, regardless of the headphones being used.
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Hi ! this is exactly what i have in mind.
That when the pattern of the mics used for the recording looks like the speaker dispersion the rendering of the soundstage is better.
I am fanatic of soundstage. For me it is by far the more important goal in a stereo system.
And if we look at the polar dispersion of a normal frontal radiating speaker it looks very similar to a cardioid pattern.
So the best solution for recording a stero track could be a pair of cardioid mics rightly positioned and not the omni like anyone use.
Does this make sense ?
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
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"Sense"? Bwaa-haha-hahaaa-aaa!I suspect that different people will have different ideas about what constiutes good "soundstaging" in the typical two-channel home stereo system.
Some listeners might prefer the kind of *consonant* recording/speaker synergy that you describe, others will prefer a more discordant type of recording/speaker synergy. Each type of recording/speaker synergy will produce different "soundstaging effects" and it is up to each of us to decide which type sounds best with the majority of two-channel recordings that we listen to.
I really don't think that there is a "best" way when it comes to implementation in two-channel stereo, given the diversity of techniques used in two-channel stereo recording (and the corresponding diversity in loudspeaker design). Listen and decide for yourself what is best?
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Hi !
" I suspect that different people will have different ideas about what constiutes good "soundstaging" in the typical two-channel home stereo system "
Not me for sure. There are specific tracks in test discs that are an extremely powerful tool to evaluate the ability of a system to render the soundstage. One is the "Walkaround" track on the Sheffield Labs/XLO disk test i have.
Needless to say that it is the only track i would keep if i had to choose one ...
The sensation of the sound coming from beyond the front wall, the walls of the room disappearing is just amazing. Never ever experienced of course in my life. In some audio fair some system were approaching that sensation.
I am trying to start my first recordings live.
I have just to find some guinea pigs playing some music.
Thanks a lot again for the very helpful advice.
Kind regards,
bg
No, this does not make sense because two-channel stereo is far too dependent on trickery and circumstance, and is in fact a far less "sensible" solution to the problem of soundstaging than most any multi-channel array is.
So, I think that a multi-channel sound system would suit your needs best. Two-channel stereo can be made to do some amazing things, but if you really do value "soundstage" above all else then a properly set up multi-channel array is the way to go, at least for you.
Good luck.
Hi !
I guess you are right about multichannel being the only way to get a top quality soundstage.
Nevertheless i have heard excellent soundstages from nice stereo systems.
Almost always the biggest problem was indeed the listening room, much less than optimal.
I am stuck to 2 channel because my music collection is stereo and most of the material around is also 2 channels.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
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