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In Reply to: RE: It's Not Nearly As Dire As People Think... posted by Doug Schroeder on March 02, 2015 at 06:26:08
But the link you provide unfortunately doesn't provide any actual numbers to prove their case. They seem to be making an assumption about where the stat comes from like 3 million marriages in 1996 and 3 million divorces - that means 50% but that's not where the statistic is coming from albeit it may be an interesting coincidence.The number should not be that hard to find - you calculate all the marriages over say a ten year period and you have to track EACH marriage and if and when they divorce how many years they were married etc. So 1,000,000 marriages over a 50 year period and find out if and when they divorced.
I'm kind of surprised many of the numbers seem a bit wishy washy - perhaps due to people moving out of state etc or privacy issues.
But this has been done to a degree here. It does seem to be getting better though as people are waiting longer and being more SURE of their choice. So that's a positive anyway.
I have to see these numbers were surprising:
"2008 voter data shows that "red" states (states that tend to vote Republican), have higher divorce rates than "blue" states (states that tend to vote Democrat).The Barna Research Group measured divorce statistics by religion. They found that 29 percent of Baptists are divorced (the highest for a US religious group), while only 21 percent of atheists/agnostics were divorced (the lowest)."
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and you brought up some good ones! :)
You're correct that Christians don't look particularly good in terms of divorce stats. But there is controversy in those numbers as well. Figures, when it comes to such things, there will be very divergent accounts of reality.
How a cohort is defined effects the statistical results. I wondered if there had been discussion of how the "Christian" population was defined in Barna's research, and I found some objecting to it; see link in which research out of the University of Virginia found that Americans who worship regularly several times a month (which sounds like "all the time" to me) had 35% lower divorce rate than those with no religious affiliation.
Figures, eh? Ask one expert and you get this answer, ask another and you get that answer! Almost sounds like Audiophiles!
Either way, divorce is brutal, and I wish for all couples struggling to get counseling and do their utmost to make marriage work.
The greatest impediment to advancing an audiophile system is the audiophile.
I think the statistics have to come from the census bureau of the government to really carry the best likelihood of objectivity. If a particular group does it whether Christian, Catholic, Atheist there is the chance for "looking for the numbers that support their world view" rather than looking at the numbers and saying "that's the number whether it agrees with my world view or the book I believe in or not."
Statistics are never absolutes anyway - You can have 100 people do a blind level matched preference audition of two loudspeakers and 80% could like speaker A - and only 20% like speaker B. But until YOU do the listening you can't know for sure which speaker you will like only that you are probably more likely to like speaker A. But the people who like speaker B may actually be more experienced audiophiles and may know that over long term listening sessions B is the superior choice and are not tricked by short term wow factor.
And with the issue over marriage - I want to be clear - I am not against marriage but I think there are several reasons that non religious marriages or gay marriages may work over the long term better. One is that in the Atheist's case they're not as pressured into being married. They probably wait a lot longer before they do get married and people change over time - not the same at 40 that you were at 20. But you're probably more "in your own skin" at 35 that you'll be at 85. You'll know better and not be fooled by speaker A or umm woman A. (flash over substance). Gay marriage numbers are probably solid because they had to fight so hard to be allowed to marry that it carries a certain significance not realized by other groups. Although there is also a lot of pressure for them to stay married in order to combat groups that will want to point to poor divorce rates.
And quibbling over some of the statistics is ultimately silly because anyone can point to an Atheist couple and say they've been married for 50 years and a Christian couple that has been married for 50 years. Evidence that it can work. And evidence will point to couples in both groups who got divorced in 1 year as well.
There are also social and cultural pressures. If a person lives in a town where divorce is an absolute no-no and the person attends a church frequently if he divorces he may run the risk of being ostracized by his friends in the church by getting divorced - so he may stay in the marriage longer or forever because he is not just divorcing his wife but possibly divorcing his entire social network. Certain religions have been known to do such things like disowning children or banning people from their church.
An Atheist/Agnostic has no such pressure as his circle of friends are less likely to tell him to stick it out and live unhappily because it's "the thing you're supposed to do." Thus, it makes the decision to divorce generally easier and perhaps more common. That is combated however by also not having the pressure to marry in the first place because "that's the thing you're supposed to do." So I suspect their divorce numbers should ultimately be lower because they'd probably be more sure of their choice be made by them and not external pressures to marry.
What I fear ends up happening with religion and politics is people tend to choose their teams their side and blast eachother - often on things they may even agree upon. Dems and Reps could actually work together in the past and now it's "the other side is always wrong no matter what" merely because it was the other guy who said it. That's not getting any of us very far. And perhaps that is getting into marriages more as well. Any Democrats married to Republicans working out? There was a time that it could - same for a Christian marrying a Jew. Today?
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