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In Reply to: RE: Hmmmm... posted by rlw on November 26, 2014 at 10:33:46
no matter lack of published/proclaimed data/numbers/specs, et al.
At least that's what my EARS conveyed.
Too bad the Essence of Music treatment is so damned expensive; I'd like to try it out.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
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I don't remember the products specifically, but I have tried several CD treatments that I thought made the CD sound worse, from the get-go.....
I've also yet to encounter a treatment that I thought permanently improved the sound. I should have a better idea about the Essence of Sound treatment after a few more months.
That's my test. I must have tried a dozen of these things, starting back with Sam Tellig's Armor All idea (seriously, do NOT try this at home), and proceeding to the green pen, Walker Vivid, Mapleshade Mikro Smooth, Auric Illuminator, something called Finyl, Optrix, the laughable disc that glowed, various mat thingies from Herbies, and so on. Oh yes, and we can't forget the Intelligent Chip no matter how much we'd like to. Only Optrix remains, mainly because it does a really good job on my glasses when they get dirty.I'm not saying the rest (except Armor All and the Chip) are total losers, just that I no longer feel the need to use any of them and haven't for ages. But I'm still a sucker* for (cheap) tweaks :-)
* That's how I wound up with an AudioPrism "Ground Control."
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Yes Dave- there are a plethora of these 'CD Treatment' products out there...
Nicknamed "L' Art du Suck" by some naysayers.
Jena Labs
Liquid Resolution
Nanotech 8500
Auric Illuminator
never tried the Liquid Resolution.Have been very happy with the Jena Labs and Auric Illuminator (both gels or pastes, coincidence?)
which take more care and time to apply but always seemed worth the effort.The Nanotech less so.
Colored marker to the edges (ever decide which color works bets for YOU?), Herbie's Black Hole (sadly discontinued,
luckily I bought a couple), and them shiny discs sound DAMN good.For the price of the EOM, I'll stick with the two mentioned treatments and less fancy/elegant over packaging
targeted at audiophiles with deep pockets.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
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Thanks! for sharing musetap-
I am seeking a one treatment process product.
Not interested in having to re-treat my CDs later down the road.
Most likely the anti static element in any CD fluid, or say Nordost anti static spray, the effect could last perhaps a week or several months, even industrial strength anti static sprays are not permanent, thus you might have trouble meeting the criterion of one time treatment.BIf you are intent on removing chemical reside from the surface of the CD if that's your goal one time might be sufficient. Or if you are trying to fill in micro cavities once is probably sufficient. Won't even mention demagnetization, which (ideally) should also be performed. And the CDs need to be demagnetized regularly so I suspect if you are trying to avoid work, CDs is probably not the ticket.
Nanotech 8500 here. I remember Clark Johnsen found it insufficiently attractive in his shootout and then sort of changed his mind when I pressed him a bit. I moved from Auric Illuminator to the Nanotech and am content. I would love to know exactly what each of the elixirs actually does but have never had it explained very well.
I would like to think some of the elixirs remove mold release compound MRC from the subsurface of the clear layer but I have never found proof or even evidence that MRC is employed In the manufacturing process, oh, well. And I suppose an anti static element would be nice.
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Intron 8500 "consists of highly purified water & 50-Nano-meter sized organic conductive polimer + 8-Nano meter sized ultra-micro pure silver particles. These particles are dispersed as a high density rate, thus the liquid and particles will [fill in] the scratches on the discs, while covering the surface with a protective coating...[it] creates an unobstructed path for the laser pick-up of your CD or DVD, BD player/recorder to easily read and write the digital data imprinted on optical discs. ... [it] also eliminates electrostatic charges...minimizing the adherence of dust particles..."So fills in scratches, helps discourage new ones, eliminates static charges...and may do more they're not mentioning, though I don't know why they wouldn't say all they can. Still these things don't strike me as sufficient to accomplish what I hear.
What I hear is greater clarity, increased smoothness, decreased edginess. None of these effects is dramatic but all are audible. I put it on new discs and occasionally use it to try to repair screwed up rented DVD's. Every once in a while I'll play a new CD without the 8500 and then add it just to see if IT's still there. It usually is. I could live w/o it but choose not to. I 'm not much of a tweaker by nature but am willing to indulge in this case.
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Nice! Geoff-
any of these products require a re-treatment or touch up over time?
See my post above. Haven't re-treated any of the discs originally treated years ago with AI
or Jena, but see no reason NOT to do so, just need to make the time to do so.
With those two, I see (and probably wouldn't hear) a downside to doing so.
I don't have any more Nanotech, won't pursue it further and am not sure if I'd
treat those treated discs with a different treatment.
I color coded treated CDs with a dot on the face to distinguish which is coated with what, thus eliminating the need for stickers.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I dunno. Maybe.
Do you know anything about the products you mentioned???
Not really. Only how they sound. I kind of doubt any of the manufacturers explain very much about what's in their product without, you know, giving away the farm.
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I suspect this is it...meaning why the published blurb above from 8500 is so...unsatisfying. Something else is going on. Whatever goes on is limited to the plastic coating, I assume, so I can't imagine what's involved. Sorry to keep this thread so unsatisfying!
Great stuff. I've been using it for 20+ years. Available at Amazon for only $5.79 for an 8oz bottle.Give it a try and let us know what you think.
And no, haven't compared it to any of the recent crop of overpriced CD treatments lol
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There is a 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee, if that helps.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
They improve the listening experience for as long as you believe they improve the listening experience. At least that's been my, er, experience
Yes, Brian. Essence of Music did make the rounds on the audio-show circuit this year.
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