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In Reply to: RE: Some British singers... posted by Todd Krieger on October 24, 2014 at 19:29:33
I think you may be over estimating your powers of perception here. While AutoTune certainly is used in studios...it is not always.
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Every audiophile overestimates his\her powers of perception, it is the sine qua non.
"Every audiophile overestimates his\her powers of perception, it is the sine qua non."
I won't even argue whether this is true.... In a lot of cases, it is true... BUT.........
There have been too many audio designers and music producers who believe because of that, they can get away with audio components of lesser quality and/or recordings with added processing, believing the consumers wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Heck.... Why are producers remastering Frank Sinatra classics with Auto-Tune? Because they believe nobody will notice. But a lot of people *do* notice... And this chicanery in design and music production wreaks to High Heaven.
I am personally getting sick of these "overblown audiophile perception" claims.... Because I believe they are lame excuses to give compromised audio designs and overprocessed recordings a pass. I'll go as far as to say it's a major reason why music and audio have been on the decline. And will continue to decline.
Two links below.... Same Frank Sinatra song.... One has Auto-Tune applied, the other does not. Would easily pass an ABX test for anyone familiar with the effects of the processing. The only other thing I'll say is I smile while listen to one track, cringe while listening to the other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HYxU9MCVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsTQJxn_BC8
I don't find you to have any credibility.
Care to provide documentation that autotune was applied? Are you claiming it was applied during remastering? Because that would require a remix.
I really think you are pulling things out of the air.
"I don't find you to have any credibility."
With your attitude, I don't really care.....
"Care to provide documentation that autotune was applied? Are you claiming it was applied during remastering? Because that would require a remix."
Of course.... Do you think "remasters" are identical recordings to prior releases? If so, why even have "remasters"?
"I really think you are pulling things out of the air."
Believe what you want.... It's there, and I'm willing to put my real name behind it. I'm willing to conduct an ABX test in a controlled environment. And I'm willing to face a mob who refuses to listen for it.
I really don't think you know what you are talking about.
Applying autotune would require a remix from the mult-tracks.
"Do you think "remasters" are identical recordings to prior releases?"
I don't fully understand your question above. What do you mean by "identical recordings"?
I have no real idea how Auto-tune works, but it does democratize the occupation of singer! Now one does not need to actually learn how to sing, but it does help provide for a bevy of pretty girls to entertain us with us with their songs.
All kidding aside, I really have no idea what it sounds like. Could it be a case of "if a little is good, then a lot has to be better"? Could it not be used simply as a touch-up to save certain takes where the singer was off?
I don't listen to that much current popular singing so I am not exposed to the ravages of this device.
Been listening to Blind Alfred Reed lately, so I suppose I am safe!
No kidding.
"I think you may be over estimating your powers of perception here."
This shouldn't be about "my perception"..... Makes me want to bang my head against the wall.... The masses are being duped. This is so obvious to me, I'm kind of dumbfounded over why it isn't obvious to a lot of other people. It's not just perceiving it, but I react to it like it's poison. (About half the clips in the link I stopped five or fewer seconds after the singing started. That's how obvious it is to me.)
"While AutoTune certainly is used in studios...it is not always."
You're correct.... Not always..... But......
95% of all Top 40 songs have been Auto-Tuned.— True Facts! (@VerusFacts) October 8, 2014
These are mostly independent, self produced, self recorded artists. You are off the mark.
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