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In Reply to: RE: JAZZ- yes Hip Hop- no posted by lokie on September 26, 2014 at 05:30:57
Hip Hop is very purpose-driven music so a car stereo or a boombox often works just fine for it's reproduction. I agree that Hip Hop can sound as good or even better on lo-fi gear. So long as the system plays loudly and has bass, the synthetic sound will reach the ears and do it's duty. Hip Hop's lo-fi aspects could be one reason why Hip Hop is discussed so little around here, and I'm sure there are plenty of other websites around where Hip Hop fans would feel more welcome than they would here.
I agree that Jazz music is more about complexity and subtlety, acoustic instruments rather than synthesized sounds and bass power. For Jazz, a better system might provide a more rewarding listening experience.
AA does have a forum for Jazz and music in general and it's called "Music Lane". It just so happens that Classical music is the type most often discussed at Music Lane but it is supposed to be an all-purpose discussion venue.
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The perfect system for Hip Hop is probably a good 5.2 AV system. Which could be very refined in it's own context.... so excuse me for saying one type of system is more refined over another... it just depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
With Hip Hop there is no "realistic" sound stage you are trying reproduce.
Where as a 4 piece jazz quartet you can almost get an exact 3d replica of the event. Another example is the trying to get the perfect tone and decay of a piano strike. That is a very specific element of a 2 channel system to be manipulated with appropriate kit, wire etc..
If I was into Hip Hop (Pop)... the last think I would be concerned about is sound-stage and piano decays. I would be interested in clean high decibel in the bass and sub bass registers... which sounds like a AV or a tricked out car system.
"I agree that Hip Hop can sound as good or even better on lo-fi gear. "
Forget that dude - why are you talking down to hip hop.
No doubt some Hip Hop can sound MUCH better on a hifi. No different than any other genre.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
My experience is that low-fi recordings almost never sound *better* on a hi-fi system than they do on a lo-fi one - they simply sound *different* on the hi-fi system...The primary difference is that the bass is usually much better and more controlled when played back on a hi-fi system. Everything else about the lo-fi recording - the mids, the highs, the vocals, etc... - sounds as bad or even worse on the hi-fi system. A big part of the problem is that the balance between the highs, mids, and lows on some lo-fi recordings gets thrown out of wack on a hi-fi system. This happens when the lo-fi recording is made to be heard on a lo-fi system, rather than a hi-fi one.
Also, it is not my intention to diss Hip Hop as a musical genre. As I've said, I believe it has it's place in the Pantheon.
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Its fallacy to think all lofi systems have similar colorations.
If one considers "best" as hearing what is actually on the recording then the hifi is almost always going to sound better.
If someone believes some trashy lofi system "sounds better" than their hifi more power to them. But I don't buy it - sounds like an excuse/rationalization for their big system sounding so bad with certain qualities of recordings.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
We all have to place the blame somewhere, I guess.
whether one wants to chose a system that gives them access to all music of interest or chose music that sounds best on their system of choice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
.., I think you can have a system that performs well playing all music that's of interest to you, with better recordings sounding increasingly better - as they truly should sound.We need not be afraid of a system that reminds us that terrible recordings are terrible recordings, because a good system simultaneously delivers anything of musical value along with the bad things contained in every recording. IMO, it would be better if we learned to mentally extract the good while mentally ignoring the bad in recordings as much as possible, than to try creating a system that smooths over all truths in all recordings. A little smoothing might be OK, too much is not OK.
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"AA does have a forum for Jazz and music in general and it's called "Music Lane". It just so happens that Classical music is the type most often discussed at Music Lane but it is supposed to be an all-purpose discussion venue."
Classical and Jazz should be split up into separate threads.
My point is not to bash hiphop. A jazz thread just makes more sense for the Asylum.
Actually, I'm not trying to bash Hip Hop either. It has it's place in the Pantheon.
I'm not sure that there would be enough Jazz-related postings or threads to warrant it having it's own separate forum. This is partly true because the "golden age" of Jazz was back during the phono era, so Jazz is discussed (along with most other types of music available on phono records) fairly often over on the Vinyl forum as well as on Music Lane.
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