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Do you really need a tweaked out audiophile system to listen to hip hop? I am always noting how much better a lot of rock sounds in my car than on the big rig, and I bet hip hop is even more noticeably better.
OK I'll come out and say it: most hip hop does not need an audiophile system to sound good, and sounds better out of lo fi gear.
And the alternative; jazz is unlistenable through low fi gear and absolutely requires a refined system.
Why does AA have a hip hop thread and no JAZZ thread?
I don't mean to rain on the three users of the hip hop thread but I'm sure there are hundreds of better places on the internet that are populated with younger and much cooler fans than here.
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I haven't found a genre of music that hasn't benefitted from good stereo playback. How much benefit seems to rely upon the quality of the engineering and mastering process, in my experience.I think the focus on Blues, Jazz, Classic Rock all says more about the tastes of the buying audiophiles than it does about the actual results on a stereo.
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Early 80s hip hop sounds like crud, however around early to mid 90s so much money was involved production quality went up substantially. Check out this track by Cypress Hill on your Wilson's.
Noadays you'll find albums like Rick Ross - Mastermind it is literally like watching an action movie the production quality and performance is top notch. So I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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benefits from better reproduction. It's axiomatic!
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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... Also I have never heard a track which sounds better in my car compared to my main rig.
Maybe such tracks/albums exist but I have never personally experienced it.
You?
Smile
Sox
Never
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
on a very selective basis, the better the system, the better the sound. No, Hip Hop isn't filled with inner detail or shimmery, delicate cymbals, but some artists have great, even moving lyrics and great, thought provoking political positions. It's about the music!
By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.
Galileo Galilei
Hip-hop isn't real music. You will never here it being played at an audio show!
You will never here it anywhere.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
I thought I was their once.
N/T
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
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IIRC Audio Note and Living Voice have played it at past UK shows. I may be mistaken but I certainly don't recall such daft snobbishness in their demonstrations (and others). I seem to recall that Living Voice also have a passion for good reggae too.
But then PQ and KS are fairly adventurous souls and real music-lovers (and good businessmen), and share the passion of music, if not everyone's taste.
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
To most "audiophiles" and posters at AA, Hip Hop is a total waste of time and an inferior form of music
IF and when even acknowledged as such, so one should completely disregard it just for being labeled as such and insult it as much as possible.
Look at some of the tired old knee jerk responses to a thread started by someone that can't read properly!
There are SO many sociological reasons for this, especially in the USA.
I don't doubt it's a completely different ball of wax outside of these borders, so wasn't surprised that you are posting from outside the USA.
Personally, I consider most recent Hip Hop to be crap, but that also applies to a good 80% of any other popular music forms released in the past 100 years that I've heard, which is most.
I prefer NOT to discriminate against art forms based on solely on marketing genre, but many people seem to need to.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
I agree with muse for a change. Hip- hop is total crap.
Good hip-hop is exactly that - good music, great even. The bad stuff is bad and, frankly, sad (gangster-related, misogynistic, immensely shallow). And there is a slew of total rubbish from that genre. But, like you say, this is true of any genre.
I'm sorry to say that at a recent audio society meeting here in New Zealand, some of the same, small-minded and factually mistaken attitudes about music and questionable taste were aired before the (rather homogenous) group of listeners. So it's not an attitude that's confined to US borders by any means. There do seem to be some cultural markers though, that might indicate it's occurrence.
It's tiresome and life's too short as it is. However, it's pleasing and reassuring to know that there are other humans out there who, like yourself, think independently and can direct intelligent attention to art forms of all kinds.
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
nt
By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.
Galileo Galilei
The forum is called "Hip Pop" NOT "Hip Hop". Geez, time for some new specs, eh Grampa?
-RW-
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moment all the way LOL
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...but I have to go the ER.
I think I just heard my hip pop.
Sorry.
axolotl
(nt)
deserves a good court case to decide it.
roger wang.
(nt)
For that, you need a system that plays LOUD with a lot of bass IMPACT. You're not concerned with refinement, exquisite resolution of detail, or low distortion.
Ideally, you want a Thumpmobile system that sounds like WWIII from a quarter mile away, so you can inflict your execrable tastes on the entire neighborhood. The frat boys are back in town, so I've been hearing plenty of that over the past week.
Good systems make everything sound good, including Hip Hop and Rap....one of those exceptions might be anything from Buck Owens and the Buckaroos ;)
"Good systems make everything sound good, including Hip Hop and Rap"
Couldn't agree less.
GET A SOFA-SIZED PAINTING ABSOLUTELY FREE TO MATCH YOUR LIVING ROOM SUITE, ALL FOR $699 WITH NO MONEY DOWN AND NO INTEREST FOR THREE YEARS!!!
Likewise, hip hop is a genre of sofa-sized music best heard not at all, through a sofa-sized stereo system, or through a pimped-out automobile system.
Was it Miles Davis who called it the New Minstrel Show?
Since most everyone in this thread is bashing Hip Hop because someone needs new glasses more than a new amp, MD called his version Doo Bop and died before he finished the project. Certainly not much of a success due mostly to a really lame producer (when many great Hip Hop producers were hitting their stride) it's sad that this was MD's last studio project. It's not NEARLY as hip (or hop) as "On the Corner".
You may be confusing MD with Wynton Marsalis in your failed misquote BTW.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
My reference to MD ended with a question mark because I was unsure as to who called it minstrel show.
Actually, some pimped-out rides look like they have sofas and toilets and lots of other things inside of them. One good thing about those plush interiors is there's not much slap echo working against speech intelligibility.
Ouch!!!
It was cold?
"Do you really need a tweaked out audiophile system to listen to hip hop? I am always noting how much better a lot of rock sounds in my car than on the big rig, and I bet hip hop is even more noticeably better."
Hip-hop is a part of modern popular music, this is why the mainstream's interest in high-end audio has declined since 1980.
"OK I'll come out and say it: most hip hop does not need an audiophile system to sound good, and sounds better out of lo fi gear."
Although true, there are exceptions.... Snoop Dogg, for example, is audiophile quality..... Also one of the few hip-hop acts I can tolerate, albeit in small doses.
"And the alternative; jazz is unlistenable through low fi gear and absolutely requires a refined system."
Jazz can be enjoyed on any system, but the nuances and depth of the performance are better appreciated on a high-end system.....
"Why does AA have a hip hop thread and no JAZZ thread?"
You made the same mistake I initially made.... It's actually "Hip P op".... I personally would have changed the name of the forum, because too many people think the forum is about hip- h op....
"I don't mean to rain on the three users of the hip hop thread but I'm sure there are hundreds of better places on the internet that are populated with younger and much cooler fans than here."
If you look at the posts on that forum page, you notice almost none of it discusses hip-hop.
You don't need to listen to hip-hop on a high-end system. Hip-hop is trash so you need to listen to it on a trashy sounding system.
More stupidity from you. Since when does your opinion of a genre of music translate to what system should be used to listen to it. That would be never. I don't care for hip hop but WTF does that have to do with it? Nothing.
What does it feel like to be the most despised person on this board? That you can speak on by all means.
ET
I'll repeat myself for you (hip-hop is trash)
The first time I heard hip-hop it sucked. That was 30 years ago. Guess what, 30 years later it still sucks.
In my world pretty much every recording sounds MUCH better on my big rigs****. And many/most good recordings are not listenable on my lofi systems.
****No doubt about it I can hear much more of the bad recording but more importantly I can hear much less of the not so good stereo.FWIW - I would rather see a Jazz forum than the hip-pop stop and yes well recorded music usually sounds better.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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This is clearly demonstrated on Music. A small handful of inmates participate in occasional threads about jazz, but the forum is dominated by "classical" posts. The number of posts on Music about jazz actually seems to have diminished from 5-10 years ago. There are probably more inmates who appreciate at least some jazz who don't post about it very much, but its the number and frequency of posts that'd justify having a separate Jazz forum.
As a jazz musician this ain't exactly heartening, but then jazz musicians are well aware that only a small % of people are what I'd call "real" jazz fans (as opposed to, for want of a better term, "soft" jazz).
As to needing a good system to listen to jazz.......
I got into jazz when I was very young, and more into it as a teenager. My primary listening was via radio in cars and radio/records thru an all-in-one Sherwood receiver that had small detachable spkrs. Hardly hifi, but plenty good enough for me to get hooked. Of course having a good system allows hearing subtleties in the music and makes the listening experience more satisfying. But it ain't like ya can't appreciate 'Trane played on a car radio. I first heard Miles' KOB on a car radio and was completely knocked out.
I'm not into hip-hop, but do listen to a wide variety of music. Its probably best to have full range speakers or a sub woofer to handle the bass so prominent in hip-hop. But despite the comments below about how hip-hop is mixed to sound better on boom boxes and car radios, I don't see why a good system wouldn't make listening to any style of music a better experience. If hip-hop is the primary idiom you listen to there are plenty of spkrs./electronics available that would suit your listening preference.
I say this as an audiophile, a classically trained (but lapsed) violinist, a lover of jazz and from a demographic that could be easily associated with the leading exponents of the hip-hop genre.Often, forums like this become pissing alleys for the insecure to parade their neuroses in increasingly facetious attempts to reassure us all of their credentials as members of one or other audiophile cult, or sub-sects thereof. It's dull, and robs us all of new and interesting ways of experiencing our love of sound and fine music - in all its forms.
My experience of audiophile jazz lovers is that they are more interested in listening to it and the performances entailed within, than writing incessantly about whether they can tell what skins the drummer was using or similar. Anecdotal and local evidence for sure, but I'm not sure why this should be. However, culturally speaking, an overweening focus on empiricism, pride in intellectual supremacism - the cultures and cultural markers that produced modern European (and associated, extended) societies of today, seem to have a part to play in this ever-present desire to re-affirm musical hierarchies and the inferences attached to them.
big j.
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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Yeah, what he said.
There's some truth behind that equation and it's not all because of snobbishness. It's where the road leads us sometimes. Labels that are still trying to produce high-resolution, natural sounding, dynamically uncompressed recordings are, all too often, the small classical labels.
Labels specializing in the musical genres likely to reap the most radio, computer, and TV time are way more likely to be involved in unnatural sounding trends such as "the loudness wars" than these small classical labels are.
So, if you want realistic sounding recordings you might end up seeking out the small classical labels - even if classical is not your favorite musical genre. ECM is an "audiophile" label that specializes in Jazz-inspired music as well as some other types of "unpopular" music, but I'd say that the majority of decent recordings made nowadays are coming from the classical sectors.
Naturally this is not an absolute argument but I was trying not to stray off topic, in that I commented on the audiophiles posting on boards such as these.
Your ideas about labels, in my experience, are probably more true today than in the past. Aside from ECM, East Wind are another jazz label that immediately spring to mind as folk who care about recording quality. But even today, publish such as Nonesuch pay good attention to similar sonic values.
My point is (and it's been made elsewhere in this thread repeatedly), there is nothing inherently poor about Hip Hop which would suggest that it is not deserving - as a genre - of audiophile playback. And audiophile systems can be used to celebrate and explore all types of music, to the elucidation of spirit and living. Choosing to demote one musical form over another, at best, smacks of a lack of imagination and curiosity and, at worst, betrays fear, deep-seated issues of low self-esteem and a tendency toward fractured thought.
Just my opinion, of course.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I agree that every genre, if not every artist, that seems amenable deserves top notch treatment in the recording studio. Too bad some labels are intent on competing against other labels in "the loudness wars", while embracing similar types of distortions.
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I think jazz was an even bigger casualty than classical music, in regard to the network media transition that took place in the late 1960s.... Like classical, there was a lot of prime time jazz on television, which the likes of John Coltrane and Miles Davis made their marks, just like Leonard Bernstein on the classical side. When the programming was snubbed suddenly and permanently after that, the masses were shielded from the artists, and then the awareness went away. A cheap imitation took over, it was never the same.
Once again, the problem wasn't the product or even the audience.... The problem was the omnipresent network media opting to shape what people wanted instead of reflect what people wanted.
There were some good shows dedicated to jazz on public tv channels, but outside of that the most jazz I can remember on tv was on Steve Allen's shows, and they were on late, not prime time. Variety shows like Ed Sullivan's had serious jazz VERY rarely.
TV networks are basically in the biz of selling soap. They care little what programming does that successfully and keeps their sponsors happy. If ratings for classical music or jazz on tv shows were high we'd be inundated with shows featuring that music.
Jazz might be dead but it's still music. Hip hop is not music even though it is popular.
There are plenty of internet forums where jazz is discussed thoroughly and heartily. AA just isn't one of them.
That said, we jazz aficionados understand that we make up a tiny subset of overall listeners. Once Kenny G became synonymous with "jazz" among non-jazz fans when most rock fans once knew of Coltrane or Miles, that subset diminished further. I suspect it's getting smaller all the time.
So those of us who remain are most appreciative of the work you and your peers perform. And I doubt you started on the saxophone to make a million bucks anyway! ;)
Kenny G. is to jazz what Lady Gaga is to pop music..... Or what Andre Rieu is to classical..... Or what Green Day is to rock...... Popularity shaped by the media, not reflected by the media.
Nt
Give me rhythm or give me death!
and I never liked blanket statements like these speakers are good for rock or this genre doesn't sound good with this piece of gear. Totally silly as I see it. True stereotyping!
ET
> Why does AA have a hip hop thread and no JAZZ thread?>No idea why there is a Hip-hop forum.
Maybe there needs to be a Pop or Dance Music Forum.
As to Jazz, it's considered "Music".
And I think any music you like will sound better on a good stereo rig.
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There is music and there is aural entertainment.
Both have their adherents and certain of these adherents of aural entertainment will attempt to make a case that their form of entertainment is music.
Sometimes I find it easier to accept that some of these AE's I find unlistenable could well be art but they are not music.
Of course, one will be asked to define music and I will quickly admit I cannot give a concise definition and hope I do not fall into the "I know it when I hear it" dodge.
But I agree a forum for MUSIC is all that is necessary. But where do you put the varieties of aural entertainment?
...my favorite form of music is Rock and there is a forum for it.
For me it's real music.
Different forums for it because those who prefer Jazz and Classical Music are not the same who listen primarily to Rock and there are large numbers of each group here.
There is some crossover between Rock, bluegrass, country, surf, blues, disco, R&B, pop, metal and the like.
Which leaves Hip-Hop and a few others as outliers.
"Aural entertainment" reminds me of the stereo demo records of the 1960s with trains going from side to side or ping-pong matches.
and ...
... a good system will make it sound better. Of course, the system components could likely to be tuned to the musical preference of the listener, such as ...
- single coned Lowthers and SET amps for chamber quartets
- horns and cones for rock and roll, and maybe hip-hop/rap
- panels for classical, and maybe jazz
A gentleman is best defined as someone who knows how to play the accordion ... and doesn't.
.., I've found that my systems only make certain aspects of the recording sound better.More specifically, with low-fi Hip Hop recordings and other recordings designed to sound *correct* only on low-fi systems, the bass will sound strong and great but the mids and highs will sound imbalanced. Because my systems do not sound like boomboxes or car radios, "imbalanced" is the way those recordings should be expected to sound on my systems.
When someone asks me to play certain types of low-fi recordings on my system I will usually oblige, and they usually comment on how much better their recordings sound on one of my systems...
I usually hear things differently, though. While they're gushing over the sound of their low-fi Hip Hop or Country albums being played back on my systems, I'm usually thinking, "Gad, this person is either delusional or is on hallucinogenic drugs... or both!"
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The one thing that I *always* find less tolerable on a high-end system is vocals processed with Auto-Tune.... Regardless of who is singing or how much is applied..... A resolving system brings forth a static-like "grit" riding over the vocal. The artifact is virtually inaudible on less-resolving gear. But the "locking effect" on the notes/pitch is annoying on all gear, even via a cheap radio.
"I usually hear things differently, though. While they're gushing over the sound of their low-fi Hip Hop or Country albums being played back on my systems, I'm usually thinking, "Gad, this person is either delusional or is on hallucinogenic drugs... or both!""
What are you judging here? The person is complimenting your system and is knowledgeable to understand that it does sound better. He's not delusional or on hallucinogenic drugs.
It's a victory for audiophiles when young people hear their music on audiophile systems and it actually sounds good to them.
How good a good system sounds on recordings it is bias'd around is irrelevant if someone is not interested or could care less about the music on those recordings.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Actually, I don't know that and neither do you.That said, I really don't care how anyone else hears things. My job, as far as I'm concerned, is to make my system sound as good and as right as possible with the majority of the recordings that I own and like.
And - you guessed it! I don't own many Hip Hop recordings. As a matter of fact I think I own a grand total of one Hip Hop album, and that one is a Blue Note LP recording that actually has pretty decent sound. Although I'm always open to new experiences, I really don't get much exposure to certain musical genres. I'm too busy trying to keep up with listening to the rarely played or unplayed albums that I've already got.
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"Actually, I don't know that and neither do you."
LOL but you're the one who said -
"Gad, this person is either delusional or is on hallucinogenic drugs... or both!"
As a matter of fact when composing my response I was thinking you're the one who is delusional or is on hallucinogenic drugs...or both.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Actually, I can only guess about the others. I'm never absolutely sure, I only suspect.
As for me? Well, I'm not tellin'...
"And the alternative; jazz is unlistenable."
There are really only two things I don't ever listen to; Jazz and Country, does nothing for me. I listen to a wide variety of music, Hip Hop included (and I guess whatever Hip Pop is) on my decent rig (Maggie's, AudioLab, Classe, REL). Music is too individual for me to visit any thread or forum about, I like what I like.
To my ears all music (of course, except Jazz and Country :)) sounds better on a good system, I don't get your point there.
In my car, I mainly listen to the car (love the sound of a 400+HP motor). I might have the radio on sometimes, usually it's off though. When I'm in the mini-van the family is usually also, so it might be on, but also not much.
I remember reading that Snoop Dogg made sure to listen to his albums on a boombox prior to their release in order to be sure they'd sound *correct* being played back on the types of systems most of his fans would use. I've also read that Country music stars like Buck Owens used to do something similar, using the cheap car radios of the day...
I believe that many Pop music recordings are EQ'd to sound a certain way in the kinds of systems the public at large listens to - supermarket PA systems, car systems, boomboxes, cheap headphone systems, etc... Played back on highly resolving systems with flat FR response makes a lot of this music sound *incorrect* - worse, rather than better.
I read that the Rolling Stones always checked their singles (at least) on a car-like 'full-range' 5-inch speaker. Which may explain why the Stones records sound like they do.
That is normal practice for virtually every commercial release regardless of genre.
...that's like Herb Alpert, head of A & M records, in the 1960s listening to the records he produced on a 5" car speaker since that's how most of his customers heard them.
I believe they might just do so. That said, most of the music I listen to sounds fantastic; much better through my rig than through a lesser rig. There are many recordings that sound sub-standard, including recently listened to; some Neil Young tunes. But overall, I like what I hear.
Hip Hop is very purpose-driven music so a car stereo or a boombox often works just fine for it's reproduction. I agree that Hip Hop can sound as good or even better on lo-fi gear. So long as the system plays loudly and has bass, the synthetic sound will reach the ears and do it's duty. Hip Hop's lo-fi aspects could be one reason why Hip Hop is discussed so little around here, and I'm sure there are plenty of other websites around where Hip Hop fans would feel more welcome than they would here.
I agree that Jazz music is more about complexity and subtlety, acoustic instruments rather than synthesized sounds and bass power. For Jazz, a better system might provide a more rewarding listening experience.
AA does have a forum for Jazz and music in general and it's called "Music Lane". It just so happens that Classical music is the type most often discussed at Music Lane but it is supposed to be an all-purpose discussion venue.
The perfect system for Hip Hop is probably a good 5.2 AV system. Which could be very refined in it's own context.... so excuse me for saying one type of system is more refined over another... it just depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
With Hip Hop there is no "realistic" sound stage you are trying reproduce.
Where as a 4 piece jazz quartet you can almost get an exact 3d replica of the event. Another example is the trying to get the perfect tone and decay of a piano strike. That is a very specific element of a 2 channel system to be manipulated with appropriate kit, wire etc..
If I was into Hip Hop (Pop)... the last think I would be concerned about is sound-stage and piano decays. I would be interested in clean high decibel in the bass and sub bass registers... which sounds like a AV or a tricked out car system.
"I agree that Hip Hop can sound as good or even better on lo-fi gear. "
Forget that dude - why are you talking down to hip hop.
No doubt some Hip Hop can sound MUCH better on a hifi. No different than any other genre.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
My experience is that low-fi recordings almost never sound *better* on a hi-fi system than they do on a lo-fi one - they simply sound *different* on the hi-fi system...The primary difference is that the bass is usually much better and more controlled when played back on a hi-fi system. Everything else about the lo-fi recording - the mids, the highs, the vocals, etc... - sounds as bad or even worse on the hi-fi system. A big part of the problem is that the balance between the highs, mids, and lows on some lo-fi recordings gets thrown out of wack on a hi-fi system. This happens when the lo-fi recording is made to be heard on a lo-fi system, rather than a hi-fi one.
Also, it is not my intention to diss Hip Hop as a musical genre. As I've said, I believe it has it's place in the Pantheon.
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Its fallacy to think all lofi systems have similar colorations.
If one considers "best" as hearing what is actually on the recording then the hifi is almost always going to sound better.
If someone believes some trashy lofi system "sounds better" than their hifi more power to them. But I don't buy it - sounds like an excuse/rationalization for their big system sounding so bad with certain qualities of recordings.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
We all have to place the blame somewhere, I guess.
whether one wants to chose a system that gives them access to all music of interest or chose music that sounds best on their system of choice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
.., I think you can have a system that performs well playing all music that's of interest to you, with better recordings sounding increasingly better - as they truly should sound.We need not be afraid of a system that reminds us that terrible recordings are terrible recordings, because a good system simultaneously delivers anything of musical value along with the bad things contained in every recording. IMO, it would be better if we learned to mentally extract the good while mentally ignoring the bad in recordings as much as possible, than to try creating a system that smooths over all truths in all recordings. A little smoothing might be OK, too much is not OK.
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"AA does have a forum for Jazz and music in general and it's called "Music Lane". It just so happens that Classical music is the type most often discussed at Music Lane but it is supposed to be an all-purpose discussion venue."
Classical and Jazz should be split up into separate threads.
My point is not to bash hiphop. A jazz thread just makes more sense for the Asylum.
Actually, I'm not trying to bash Hip Hop either. It has it's place in the Pantheon.
I'm not sure that there would be enough Jazz-related postings or threads to warrant it having it's own separate forum. This is partly true because the "golden age" of Jazz was back during the phono era, so Jazz is discussed (along with most other types of music available on phono records) fairly often over on the Vinyl forum as well as on Music Lane.
I honestly have no idea what's discussed there, and whether hip-hop is classified as "pop".
I think AA should change the name of that forum board..... I think it would increase traffic, because people would no longer think it's a forum about hip-hop.................
I know some who even read the forum name as "Hip-Pop" from Day One, yet still thought it implied the discussion of hip-hop......
I mean, I cannot count how many times I've encountered this technicality from fellow inmates..... At least 30 times........ Just think of the number from those I don't encounter. I'd guess at least 30 percent of the inmates might be avoiding the forum because they don't realize the name has nothing to do with hip-hop.
The forum subtitle describes it as "Today's hip tunes. New music that isn't Classic Rock or Jazz!". Very little, if any, of the posts there are of the Hip-Hop genre.
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