|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
50.188.174.254
And for sale too.
Follow Ups:
Not what I would do, even if I had the money, which I most definitely do not. Having said that, I bet it sounds great, and I agree with whoever made the comment that I'd go listen in a heartbeat if offered the chance. The owner, having shown up in this thread, sure seems to be a good guy and isn't put off by some of the stuff being said here.
Having said that, I doubt he'll get his money back, though I doubt he intended to when he built it. My guess is adding something like that to a house is like customizing a motorcycle. You do it to make it yours, but when it comes time to sell you're still just selling a (e.g.) 2008 HD Road King.
Rob I live 5 miles east of you. Obviously a lot of effort and expense went into that room...I wish I had a dedicated listening room, but as it is I don't see how I could use much of those room treatments in my place without fallout from the wife. Still thinking about it though...
Then buy the whole house and you'll have your own little man cave away from the rest of the house :)
...personally. Surely it's not for anyone who doesn't give a rats ass about audio quality, but if it performs anywhere near the way it looks it should, well then good on ya!
No, I can't bid. ;-)
See ya. Dave
.., and ugly in others.
Hi, Dave,
I like the wood acoustical treatments - adds a nice warm tone to the room. Only thing I'd change is the door, but maybe that's a recent addition and he hasn't had a chance to paint it. As for the complaints about the seating, jeesh, just replace it with your favorite comfy chair or couch.
I can't even afford the stereo racks. :-)
Regards,
Tom
One of the things I plan to do when retirement comes along (or semi-retirement as I suspect it'll be), is to do DIY Skyline like diffusors around some of the walls and ceiling.
THAT should keep me busy for a long time!
See ya. Dave
My listening room actually works fairly well already, but it'd be fun to experiment with DIY room treatments to see how much better it could be. That, and messing around with turntable and tonearm modifications; maybe even a vintage turntable restoration. Gotta retire first.
Seeing some of the high end gear and listening rooms that get posted here doesn't make me jealous, it provides me with ideas of how to do similar things on a more limited budget.
Best,
Tom
use of diffusion in a room. I bet music sounds pretty good there...
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
is this preferred or standard treatment to bring out sounds?
thanks for interest.
roger wang
During tree harvest, solid walnut makes a spectacularly diffuse crashing sound as it hits the ground...
I would imagine that diffusors made from recycled wood products covered with a thin walnut veneer would sound just as good as solid walnut diffusors, but who knows?
.
... Pumping a third of the property's asking price into one room seems less than sane to me. Especially into an ordinary sized townhouse.
The room looks ok but has a hopelessly low ceiling.
I wish him luck on the sale and to recoup his total outlay on the home and room.
Smile
Sox
d
Another banal post by tinear.
Smile
Sox
d
As far as looks go, I like it. The different wood panels/treatment gives it character and depth.
The ability to listen loud in a townhouse without disturbing others is huge. I'm lucky that my basement system is on the opposite side of the house from the bedrooms. I do have to wait till the wife is in bed to crank it to reasonable levels but I would not have invested as much in a system if I couldn't listen loud enough to enjoy. Even moderate levels bother people in the living room above.
He obviously has the money to do it right. More power to him.
The listening chairs are like a movie theater, not a home!
Sterile, cold, non "lived in" feel.
Too many room treatments make for a "Padded Cell" or "Anechoic Chamber" environment.
I would not feel comfortable in there at all!
I like the dimly lit, smoky, night club, or comfortable homey type rooms.
Where are all the Lp's or Cd's to browse through ?
It's just not your style?
Mine neither. I'm setting up an 300B SET rig with LS3/5A mini-monitors in my workshop/ tool/ storage shed. I have garden tools as diffusers on one side and aluminum ladders on the other.
What's the resonant frequency of a shovel?
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
...when you do it. Sounds like a great idea!
The listening room posted by the OP is not to my taste either. I've been in mausoleums that were cheerier.
I mean my God man a traction device to keep your head in the sweet spot would fit right in with that scene.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Don.
I like to call out fat cats and BS dealers.
Edits: 09/01/14 09/01/14
Thanks for making my OCD look a tad brighter/shinier.
The posse here will run you out of town on a rail.
"Fake plant and Vertical Blinds behind speakers"Same choice as sudz?
Edits: 09/02/14
Have you been in it?
Nope.
What do you know about the room treatments?
Nothing, because if you had researched SMT you wouldn't have said what you did.
The home theater seating is there because the system serves as both a 2-channel music system and as a home theater system. The level of attention to detail is mind boggling.
I would prefer a brighter, more spacious room, but he acknowledges the speakers are too big for the room. Dark colors are very desirable for home theater, though, and the reds and walnut are very tasteful.
All of that said, I can't wait to experience his new place, I'm guessing in a year or two, because knowing Rob, it will be absurdly good, off the scale.
To answer your question about where all the media is, it's in an adjacent room. Plus there is a music server.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
an offer to spend an evening at this place, snacking and listening, drinking and watching.
If the guy threw in the gear, he might find a buyer… but he'd probably lose money on that deal!
Edits: 09/02/14
I must admit tho, not MY kinda room but still, pretty freekin awesome. I'm thinking Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker's I've Got The Music In Me D2D LP would sound mighty fine.
--------------------------
"E burres stigano"
Not the kind of room I'd want to build or or own.
Ha! I thought I had bought the only copy of that album ever sold.
:)
--------------------------
"E burres stigano"
I thought the point of his post was that it looks ugly as sin, which it is
Never trust an Atom, they Make Up everything!
Most all room treatments are way over rated, and look like crap!You can accomplish the same thing with intelligent room decor IMO.
Jim Smith does not believe in "costly room treatment", but what does he know.
Would a women feel comfortable in there? Or is that an all male audience?
Home theater should look like a home, not a cheap movie theater!
Edits: 09/01/14 09/01/14 09/01/14
Close your eyes, relax, let yourself go!
"I'm comin' Elizabeth..."
nt
Simply beautiful. Thanks! for sharing.
... only the rich can afford to build rooms like that one.
And my first real Job was there. A nice place to live except for the winter.
Great looking room.
Lived there in my youth to 1977. I still remember the record store near Baskin-Robbins and one on a main street.
Spent some time there as a child. Northbrook Mall... I can remember buying 'Switched on Bach' there.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
Hi. I am the owner of the house. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me at rlapporte@yahoo.com. Thanks.
Rob
I have a question:
"It was originally designed by Rives Audio, but to be quite honest...it was pretty bad form an acoustical standpoint."
What does this mean?
The room was abysmal. No effective diffusion or bass trapping, sound was muddy. I think I would have been better plopping the equipment into any random finished basement or family room. Now, many dollars later, it sounds quite nice. The speakers overwhelm it a bit, and it actually sounded better when I had Altairs. That being said, my next room will be bigger and I'm very psyched to get the Arrakis in there.
Interesting. I'm sure when they walked out of that room it measured as it should. More definitive proof that when it comes to engaging sound, you cant measure everything.
I would say that most professionally installed AV rooms I've been in, sounded lifeless. Mostly it's the decay and presence (as in the presence of the recording hall/studio) isn't "right." I always blamed it on the designers desire to make each listening seat "flat". I'm sure they measure perfectly, but they dampen the micro cues that make the performance sound real.
I haven't been in a lot of recording studios but I'm certain that the "sound" engineer/designer are going for is also very different from the 2 channel audiophile. Concluding that both the market for designing 2 channel audiophile type rooms and the number of designers that can do that correctly is very, very small.
Hey Lokie, I understand what you're saying. Most "professionally" installed AV rooms in homes are way too dead. This is because most "professional" home theater designers/installers don't have a clue about acoustics or psychoacoustics. "Deader is better" seems to be their motto. If you said "small compared to the wavelength", I'd wager that most of them would give you a blank stare.
Obviously, I can't comment on Rob's room, since I know nothing about it other than a couple of pics. But from those pics, it does seem to have a good mix of absorption and diffusion. And, he likes it - and that's what's important.
A really good designer, one who actually knows what they're doing, can give you a room that's live, dead, or anywhere in between. It's also important to know that not all listening rooms SHOULD be created equal. A studio control room is a very different environment from a home entertainment room. In this regard, it's the application which reigns king. In a control room, we want to hear every detail of every track tweak in order to make good decisions. In the home, we just want to enjoy the results, and that's a different thing. Of course, it depends upon what the client wants.
That reminds me, many years ago, I did a lot of recording in a room called the "Queen's Room". (This has nothing to do with Queen Elizabeth.) It was Baroque/Classical, with plastered white-painted walls and ceiling, gold gilt trim, and (I think) tongue-and-groove wood floor. You get the idea. It seated about 60-70 people. It was nearly the perfect venue for a string quintet or solo flute with piano, but a chamber orchestra or brass quintet overpowered it.
:)
It actually measured pretty badly. The only spot I could get decent measurements were with the speakers in places that weren't realistic listening positions (i.e., very far apart sacrificing all sound staging).
Hey Rob, Texas is a big place. Where are you moving to? If you're coming to the DFW area, I'll bring the beer and ribs. :)
You might want to keep in mind that an old cohort of mine, Russ Berger, is one of the top studio designers around, and the company is just three miles from my house. He and Richard Schrag can design a room for you that'll knock your socks off. See www.rbdg.com.
Welcome to Texas!
:)
LOL, I'm going to hold you to the beer and ribs because we happen to be moving to the DFW area. Soutlake to be exact. Thanks so much for the suggestion. If I have any questions, I'll give Russ a call.
Regards
to live. Lots of upscale shops/restaurants in the town centre, 30 minutes from downtown Ft. Worth (a great area) and 30 minutes from North Dallas/Addison/Shops at Legacy, etc.., where one might find good food and drink as well.
--------------------------
"E burres stigano"
--------------------------
"E burres stigano"
Rob has things well in hand but probably appreciates your suggestion. Between work and family he stays very busy.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Great room Rob. Do you expect to build a similar room in Texas?
The room will be bigger. Roughly 21 x 31 x 11. Still deciding on decor and treatments. I wanted to build it out of concrete with Ecoblocks but my builder is unable or unwilling. Will have to use multiple layers of sheetrock with Green Glue instead
Maybe use mesquite instead of walnut? Oh, before I forget ... be sure to bring your own water with you. We have none to spare.
I was there for a re-do of the setup and alignment of his phono cartridge. Alas, I have to go back.
Nice, smart guy who has gone far beyond what most people would even consider doing.
I hope he gets a reasonable offer. Those SMT treatments in his room are of solid walnut and weren't cheap.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
At some point I'd like to hear a room like that. I don't think I'd like it as I definitely prefer more absorption than diffusion. I suspect diffusion is so popular because it's more interesting and there's a lot more money in it. Fiberglass will never be sexy and it's too easy to ever be high margin.
Maybe some types of recordings sound better with more reflected sound. I certainly wouldn't think live music would, though. It's already got the reflections recorded. I guess studio recordings with very little reflected sound could be made to seem more live with some added room reflections.
Imagine how boring the internet would be if folks were as civil here as they are in person.
You might want to rethink your comments about performance and playback venue acoustics.
A venue where music is performed in front of audiences is neither fully reflective nor absorptive, but acoustical calculations such as reverberation time take into account the sound absorbed by people's bodies and clothing.
A studio recording, even if all performers are recorded together, sounds a lot different than in a concert hall or club partly because the studio tends to be much more absorptive.
I don't want my listening room to be an anechoic chamber or anything approaching one, nor should anyone. Many audiophiles' rooms tend to be overdamped.
I'll leave it at that but suggest that people should try to use diffusion rather than absorption when possible and practical.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
....we are full!
Nope...Considered it, but going to Southlake (DFW). Austin is a very cool town though, and we plan on coming down to enjoy some music once the dust settles with the house and the new job.
Austin?
Imagine how boring the internet would be if folks were as civil here as they are in person.
Thanks, Brian. Yes, you're right. They aren't cheap. Nor would it be cheap to get Matts Odelmalm himself to come out from Sweden to tweak your room :)
Looking forward to finishing up with the turntable setup. Thanks for all the hard work you've done for me.
Best,
Rob
Post a Followup:
FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: