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In Reply to: RE: Audiogon posted by middleground on July 24, 2014 at 03:24:23
Such policies reflect the sad reality of business dealings by US buyers/sellers with our neighbors to the north.
And, not so incidentally, why you felt you needed to set up a relationship with a US company to receive packages.
From experience, I'd rather deal with a Chinese seller (who has unimpeachable feedback) than a Canadian one. That's truly sad. But I know, again from experience, that the transaction will be speedier and at lower cost.
Your beef is with the powers-that-be in Canada, not Audiogon, IMO.
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Amen Dave.
You're expressed something quite close to my sentiments on this subject.
I had a series of problems with transaction to and from Canada and subsequently excluded Canada from my trading. Plain and simple.
Doak
There you go, all Americans are honest and all Canadians are dishonest!
Louisiana ain't been the same since the French sold it to the US...
Please....
Putting words in my mouth.
Nothing to do with "honesty", but other issues.
Doak
You had to work pretty hard to come up with something as nonsensical for an answer. It's not about importing things from Canada it's about exporting things from the US.
From the undisputed king of nonsense, that's a compliment.
I have received a lot of hi-fi equipment and much other stuff from the USA and sent a lot to the USA as well. I've also received a lot of goods from China.
I think Audiogon might deserve some blame for subtly encouraging sellers to specify USA Only. This is unfortunate because there are are no special problems shipping to Canada for the US seller.
We Canadians know perfectly well that the carrier will charge us our GST/HST VAT tax and tariffs on behalf of our government: we don't blame the US seller for this .
OTOH, I do find that US buyers are sometimes ignorant of the fact that they might have to pay state taxes, possibly duties, and brokerage, typically only on items over $200. Incidentally the NAFTA trade agreement removed tariffs on US and Canadian goods but in practical terms this only applies to larger shipments between (e.g.) manufacturer and distributor in the other country.
Chinese sellers seem to be able to offer lower shipping costs in some instance.
I love the music of ... ... Gustav Mahler
Selling to Canada is a bit of a pain as you mentioned. I also have had issues with extremely long shipping times. Buyer sure can get angry with long waits but what can ya do? I also don't enjoy the asking to lie on government forums to ship. And I myself had 2 very poor experiences with canadian buyers doing chargebacks getting caught in lies about deals. Had one buy tweeters say they didn't arrive did charge back but I noticed in audio asylum he was mentioning how great they sounded in his system. This I forwarded to paypal and eventually got my account opened. I know isolated incidents but it does keep me from selling to Canadian buyers unless I know them.
Sorry you feel that way.
I love the music of ... ... Gustav Mahler
Lame eh? Maybe read my post. I said I had 2 issues. And lots of complaints about slow shipping, requests for gift or under valuing item so less tax. My real experiences sorry if it offends.
Slow shipping from the USA is a fact. Canadians who get fair bit of stuff from south of the border know this perfectly well. Incidentally the slowness is the fault of the brokerage/customs process, not the shipping process per se .I have once or twice been asked to under value items I'm to shipped to the USA: I just refuse. In any case it reduces any possible insurance claim that might need to be made.
In my experience "Gift" doesn't avoid taxes, etc.; the request is ignorance on the part of the prospective buyer and there is no advantage if you comply or don't.
I love the music of ... ... Gustav Mahler
Edits: 07/24/14 07/24/14 07/24/14
Unassailable proof!
BTW the issue is not about not wanting to ship to Canada, but about excluding buyers based on where they live. The shipping issue was always covered by Audiogon and sellers have always been free to say I will not ship to X, Y or Z country if they receive an offer so why add that mention and highlight it?
Someone from the US explained it by saying that Audiogon was in South Carolina, but I think too highly of South Carolinians to believe that.
> > BTW the issue is not about not wanting to ship to Canada
Then why did you say, in another post (above), "It's not about
importing things from Canada it's about exporting things from
the US ..."?
If you don't become the ocean, you'll be seasick every day.
—Leonard Cohen
Why are you confused?
Try again. Please.
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