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In Reply to: RE: When I close my eyes at a live acoustic concert, the instruments sound much larger than they are. posted by Disbeliever on July 15, 2014 at 23:46:53
Hi i have noticed that listening in the dark or with the eyes close is completely another kind of experience
Just try with a eye mask of the one used to sleep
What we see distracts us from the sound
Like a visual noise
Kind regards,
bg
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Listening with eyes closed and/or in a darkened room is the ONLY way to listen critically and to find out what ones speakers are capable of.
We are basically visual creatures and if eyes and ears give conflicting evidence our subconscious brain always sides with the eyes as shown by the McGurk effect.
Hi and this is actually my experience
I noticed this during some late night listening with HPs
I tried to switch off the lights and i liked the result
Very very unfortunately with HPs i cannot get the sound coming from the front ... it tends to stick inside my head and this causes me fatigue after some minutes
But it is just matter of time ... they will find a solution, with all this 3d games fashion ... the effect will be even scarying for realism.
But also exciting.
Kind regards,
bg
At home the lights out makes music sound warmer to me. And not being able to see the speakers means a more accurate soundstage with a very stable center image from my two floor standing speakers.
Absolute nonsense, live in the real World .not a dream one.
...some prefer their eyes open while listening/viewing and others close them just to listen.
As an audiophile I often close my eyes while listening to an orchestra to experience the sonic "image" rather than the visual one.
Doing that is how Harry Pearson of TAS came up with the terms imaging and soundstaging to describe parts of home audio reproduction experience.
So don't you be absurd...
Have 50 years experience in the Hi-Fi business as both manufacturer & retailer have visited most of the audio shows World Wide for many many years. Have yet to meet or see an audiophile who listens to music with closed eyes. First I have heard of this nonsense was from Teresa several years ago.
Maybe that's why you praise the sound quality of Sony receivers so highly. :)
I am mainly praising the sound of the Sony AVR DA5400ES pre-pro + FM tuner & MM phono stage section ( as good as any high end separates that I have used) fed out to my own stereo amplifier connected to front speakers for superior bass.
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Fifty years in hi-fi? And how long have you been a performing musician?
I find that listening with my eyes closed provides the opportunity to mentally focus on the music much better. Although, I will admit that most of the time at live events, I want to SEE the musicians as well as HEAR them. I mean, who doesn't want to WATCH Doc Severinsen while he shows us how it's done?!
It's common knowledge that our senses are inter-connected, and that by disconnecting them during an event or as an exercise, we are able to hone and improve them, which typically results in greater enjoyment and/or understanding of the topic at hand.
When listening seriously and not particularly caring about the visual aspect, eliminating the visual distractions is a HUGE benefit.
:)
...next time you go to a symphony or a demo session at CES, take a look at the listeners and you will observe some with their eyes closed.
Not the whole time, understand, just for a few minutes.
And you don't have to meet them, just pay attention.
Have 50 years experience in the Hi-Fi business as both manufacturer & retailer have visited most of the audio shows World Wide for many many years. Have yet to meet or see an audiophile who listens to music with closed eyes.
Do tell.
Maybe your 51st year at this will be revelatory as you try something different.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" - Michael McClure
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May be that's why so many audiophiles end up buying expensive cr@p. ;-)
Every music lover and music professional I've ever met listens regularly with eyes closed.
completely opposite to my long experience.closing eyes puts one into a semi-dream mode.
if you have the mental faculties of a startled deer but it should not be true for anyone who is able to concentrate.
Hi and seriously
Listening to music for me is also like an escape from the real world
For instance the so called "being there" experience
Not easy to get
First the recording is fundamental
but everything can help, also switching-off lights
And the feeling is very very nice
But of course is always a matter of taste in the end
Kind regards,
bg
regardless how "absurd" focusing one's attention may be to one individual.
Hi so we are at least in two. Good !
I think that the listening room is fundamental and mine unfortunately is not adequate to get a good result.
I have come to the conclusion that even a only decent system in a good listening room can make wonders for the sonic illusion.
But sometime i have had the opportunities to listen to high quality systems well placed in acoustically treated listening room.
And i was amazed
And i have a particular experience
I was listening to a pair of huge JBL 4350
After the warm up the soundstage was there and it was very strange
Because of course i was seeing the huge speakers but i was not earing them in the sense that the sound was coming clearly from behind the speakers
Other times the sound is so detached from the speakers that they seem even not connected ... this is fascinating for me
I am a 3d soundstage addicted
So with the lights on i can see the speakers but not ear them
There is a conflict between the senses ... and i do not like conflicts in general
But it is always a matter of personal taste of course
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
Hi so we are at least in two. Good !
And many more.
I learned that approach from audio mentors years ago. It is only with my eyes closed that I fully enjoy the experience of walls disappearing and being transported to a completely different space. :)
OMG! Those huge JBLs are the epitome of 1970s "West Coast", rock-n-roll, colored sound. Just awful, unless you're playing The Eagles or Steve Miller Band or Steely Dan.Have you ever seen a graph of that slot tweeter (the 077) or the "acoustic lens"? Yikes!
There's a reason why I invented the term "boom-sizzle" to describe them!
:)
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Hi i mention these speakers because it is an extreme case
Of course i was seeing them but i was not hearing them
I had the prejudice that big speakers could not disappear sonically
Instead the sound was coming clearly from behind them
I do not know how to say but they were transparent sonically but not visually and this was strange and fascinating at the same timeAnother case even more evident
Take a pair of good planars. You see them because they are panels but with the right set up they disappear sonically
Listening in the dark the brain relaxes because it does not seem them
And the all listening experience is more pleasant i think
Kind regards,
bg
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There's a reason why I invented the term "boom-sizzle" to describe them!
Sorry, but that was a common term used for their sound back in the 70s. Google "JBL boom sizzle" and you'll get quite a few hits. :)
...a common internet rumor about Gore.
He never said he invented it.
"...he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet."
As to Inmate51 and his claim - he actually did say it!
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."He didn't create diddly. He may have voted along with dozens of others for funding, but there was no creation of anything by him - except of course BS.
Similarly, IM51 did not invent that generic phrase.
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Look, I'm not as rich as Al Gore.
Whatever, or, prove me wrong. Show me where anyone else ever used the term before me, or are you a racist.
;)
...I tried to find out where the term was originated, but unfortunately Al Gore's internet posts do not go back to the 1970s.
Let's see...you must have been about 10 years old when you coined that term.
Look, I'm not as rich as Al Gore.
He made quite a fortune with speaking engagements pitching his inconvenient truth.
...he made the most - $70 million - by selling his Current TV network.
But apparently, he was never "dead broke" like some others...
I just think its incredibly funny about his claim to the *creation* of the internet - years after the networking protocols and very name itself were established.
Maybe he *created* the wheel, too. He is most certainly laughing all the way to the bank. :)
...if you read the link I posted, you know he never said that.
Who would make up something like that?
I wonder.
......if you read the link I posted, you know he never said that.That? That what? He most certainly is quoted as saying he "created the internet". That quote is found in the second paragraph of your Snopes reference. Did you actually read your link? That's just too funny.
By all means, quote anything I've actually said and comment on that reality.
Thank you.
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...hope your knee didn't hit your chin.
right?
A guy takes a nap for a couple hours, and the whole world goes upside-down.
;)
Maybe I invented the term. Maybe several people did at about the same time - that would be cosmic, dude.
:)
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Smile
Sox
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"E burres stigano"
I read an article sayin that listening in the car is dangerous because decreases the attention in driving
This to me means that part of the brain is driving, and another part is listening
In the ideal situation all the brain should be involved in the driving ... or listening
Kind regards,
bg
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... The chauffeur is deaf!
d:o)
Smile
Sox
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