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In Reply to: RE: Both........... posted by Todd Krieger on April 09, 2014 at 23:32:50
Frankly nobody would accept a DA or AD convertor with a frequency response as bad as tape.
The extended HF response at 30ips is paid for by a reduced LF response.
Distortion is also substantially higher than even the cheapest digital convertor.
See link for some typical FRs of multitrack tape machines. Only the last and most expensive Studer gets anywhere close to 16/44.
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And yet it is still considered to be far better sounding than all but the very best digital...If not better than ANY digital.
When will you realize that you haven't a clue about what it is that makes devices that measure according to you inferior but to most sound better? Sounds like an issue with the measurements you are parading around with and not the reality.
The truth is that one can easily hear sound well below the noise floor of the tape machine because that noise is uncorrelated with the signal and your brain knows how to ignore as not being part of the music. Also, a good slab of vinyl is actually very quiet (well over 90db down) over a wide range of the frequency response.
"And yet it is still considered to be far better sounding than all but the very best digital...If not better than ANY digital. "You mean can be right - not is?
"The truth is that one can easily hear sound well below the noise floor of the tape machine because that noise is uncorrelated with the signal and your brain knows how to ignore as not being part of the music."Ok and noise that correlates well with the signal is often mistaken as resolution.....
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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Are our brains so good at ignoring "uncorrelated" background noises? Why bother with noise-filtering power conditioners then?What about the frequency range(s) in which these uncorrelated noises occur? Would our brains be better at ignoring certain types of noises because of the frequencies they reside in?
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Why bother with noise-filtering power conditioners then?
Because if you look at measurements if the power supply noise is high in some designs you will get noise related IM harmonics in your distortion FFT. So, the noise becomes part of the signal and is no longer uncorrelated with the music signal.
As to the rest I don't have any ready answers for you.
Of all the people in the recording business I know not one of them considers tape to be more accurate or of higher resolution than digital including those who regularly use tape.
Tape is simply inaccurate and distorted in a pleasant way ie euphonic.
Which is nice sometimes or even most of the time but it is far from the best if accuracy is your goal.
.....to hirez digital and tape on a regular basis.I do in my system......and while I enjoy hirez digital quite a bit and have 5 terabytes of dsd and 2xdsd files that I listen to often, my 1/4" and 1/2" master tapes are sonically better on my 2 Studer A-820's.
like morricab mentions; you simply hear much farther into the music with tape. quite a bit more detail on the tape. and if you compare a hirez dub of an Lp to a tape dub of the same Lp it is not close. the hirez dub (even 2xdsd) misses something and the tape does not. you need an appropriately capable tape deck of course.
mikel
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.., most of us would have no choice but to take your word for it.Stuff that legends are made of, I guess...
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