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Hi all,
I've posed a question to the vinyl community, and they are almost unanimously voting one way. I'm going to pose the same question here to see if the high-res communty votes the opposite way.
Is a high-quality high-resolution digital transfer (at least 24-bit/96KHz) of an LP, recorded from your own optimized-for-vinyl playback path and perhaps restored a bit in software, as satisfying to play as the original?
If not, why not?
Thanks,
TGD
Follow Ups:
According to Michael Fremer, Stan Ricker and Peter McGrath, the Alesis 9600 Masterlink'd 24/96 recordings of vinyl are basically indistinguishable from the originals.
Vincent Sanders told me once that he used to play recorded vinyl from his revelation that had the pops and clicks left in it before his demos. He said that often people would comment on how great the "vinyl" sounded.
Long story short vinyl junkies are too busy listening to vinyl to know how good digital can be...
Afterwards we discovered faith; it's all you need
It sounds like a high-rez digital recording of vinyl........ With the disadvantages of both- The surface noise of the vinyl, and the RFI fatigue of high-rez digitization.
Depends entirely on the clock in the A/D converter and the Digital Playback Chain, including the clock in the computer interface and the DAC. Any significant clock jitter in the A/D or D/A can degrade it significantly.
Steve N.
I've heard the vinyl rips of the Beatles catalog done in 24/96, and they are vinyl-like and very dynamic. From a technical standpoint I could probably find fault somewhere but to my ears it sounds incredibly close, even with mid-fi gear.
Freedom is the right to discipline yourself.
But its all depend on quality of the software, one's expectation and sonic preference.
I am hoping it's as good but the learning curve of *ripping* vinyl in high res is high so far. Plus I don't have the correct playback equipment to play around with it.
saturation...
Big difference between:
"would you consider purchasing a package consisting of LP-quality artwork and liner notes, accompanied only by a license key to download high-resolution uncompressed audio for the title?" (what you posted at vinylasylum)
AND
"Is a high-quality high-resolution digital transfer (at least 24-bit/96KHz) of an LP, recorded from your own optimized-for-vinyl playback path and perhaps restored a bit in software, as satisfying to play as the original?" (what you posted here)
'Tis true.
My follow-up post got derailed by pilor error this afternoon and should appear soon.
Thanks for listening!
- don't have the necessary vinyl experience.
- don't record LPs to a higher-rez format
- don't have a proper device to replay LP> Hi-Res recordings.
This question is best served to those that have experience recording LP to CDR, and you won't find much of "that" here.
tb1
I have recorded lp's from my Shindo preamp through a Zoom digital recorder at 24/88 and burned the flac file to a cdr. Vinyl playback is a Basis 1400 and Ortofon 2M bronze. CD playback is a Sony 5400. I use Maggie 3.6's
I have compared the vinyl to the cdr and they are very close in sound. Friends who have heard the cdr's not knowing the source have remarked how vinyl sounding they are. All surface noise and clicks have been removed. So I would say that cdr's made from a vinyl source sound very much like vinyl and I am a vinyl lover who would not have believed this to be true
Alan
> > I have compared the vinyl to the cdr and they are very close in sound. Friends who have heard the cdr's not knowing the source have remarked how vinyl sounding they are. All surface noise and clicks have been removed. So I would say that cdr's made from a vinyl source sound very much like vinyl and I am a vinyl lover who would not have believed this to be true < <
I've taken a different approach, I record from my 'table through my pre-amp and into a stand-alone Sony recorder, directly to CDR. It's more the straight wire with gain approach, the Sony is a 24/88 player which easily converts down to 16/44 for CDR. I've stayed clear of any other conversions and devices, with NO POST digital manipulation. What is on my CDRs, for better of worse, is more of a direct copy of my source, albeit with the traditional redbook limitations.
And yes, I can easily tell the difference between my best recorded material on LP and CDR. As good as my CDR are, and they are VERY good, they're about 10-15% shy of the real thing. The biggest difference is dimensionality, in which the sonic picture of the CDR is 10-15% smaller in every dimension. Also, the frequency extremes have less dynamic contrast, with slightly less convincing instrumental impact. That said, I'd never claim that my CDR are anything but a "true" representation of my turntable, and in fact, use CDR to better refine my tables and to evaluate others.
However, it should be noted that sometimes these differences evaporate.
As an example, if I record an LP that was originally mastered from digital, it's LP-CDR copy has the potential to sound identical to the LP. I've got examples of this very scenario, in which, I can't tell the difference ... and remember, this is that much more telling when ... NO POST digital processing is used.
tb1
*As an example, if I record an LP that was originally mastered from digital, it's LP-CDR copy has the potential to sound identical to the LP. I've got examples of this very scenario, in which, I can't tell the difference ... and remember, this is that much more telling when ... NO POST digital processing is used.*I'm planning to do to 24/96 commercially available file, vs. Red book CD vs. Vinyl release comparison on friend's rig. They are all released from Naim Label so they all should sound the same with all things equal. Or at least I would assume they all used the same first generation digital master. (24/192)
But I am betting all sound different because each playback chain has a sound of its own. ( he's got a purpose built hifi only PC, heavily modified Music Hall DAC, Linn LP12/Lingo/EKOS/AT 155LC with Naim Stageline and a CD player is some Japanese make ( Denon or Marantz ) Plus wanky cables to connect them all.
Edits: 03/07/12
And yet I love vinyl!
I recall reading about a test many years ago where they made recordings onto CD (16/44.1) of vinyl originals, and then played back the vinyl originals and the CD copies to test listeners. According to the write-up, the listeners could not tell the difference - and this was at plain old CD quality - forget hi-rez! ;-)
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