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In Reply to: RE: "Assclown"?? Let's get a few things straight.... posted by Bill Leebens on May 22, 2016 at 14:22:22
I certainly appreciate you weighing in and your comments.But with all due respect, also incredibly self serving.
"We never advertise as a result of coercion or extortion, nor do we ever give freebies to reviewers, either as a reward for a favorable review or in order to provoke a favorable review."
Absolutely no body here thinks you have or do. This was not even up for debate.
"To view the depiction of actual occurrences as vague slurs against an entire industry indicates to me that the piece wasn't read carefully.."
Perhaps you should read John Atkinson's comments more carefully because he was crystal clear:
I quote:
"Personally I am sickened by the "pay-to-play" ethos that
is becoming endemic in the publishing industry and I felt that Art's
humorous approach worked well at signalling where we stood on this issue."And by the way, nobody to the best of my knowledge was accusing Stereophile of anything here!!! It was simply note then when you get on a high horse, someone is naturally going to try knock you off it.
And lastly, the reference to assclown was clearly to these amateur, unpaid "reviewers"..which I stand by 1000 percent.
Edits: 05/22/16 05/22/16Follow Ups:
> Perhaps you should read John Atkinson's comments more carefully because
> he was crystal clear. I quote: "Personally I am sickened by the
> 'pay-to-play' ethos that is becoming endemic in the publishing industry..."Note that I said "publishing industry," not "audio publishing industry."
Under the euphemism "sponsored content," pay-for-play is indeed becoming
ubiquitous, but just not yet in audio publishing, despite the presence
of some "bad apples."And while North American companies respect my policy, many of the
European and Asian companies I deal with that don't have formal US
distribution expect as a matter of course that in return for their
advertising dollars, I will arrange a review. They are genuinely shocked
that I won't play that game and as a result, refuse to advertise in
Stereophile.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 05/22/16 05/22/16
Since the context of Art's piece was the audio publishing industry, I thought that was what you were referring to. Thank you for the clarification.
Interesting to note about Europe(not surprised about Asia). Since most of the Europeans I deal with like to feel they are sitting on high and ethical ground pertaining to society and business practices.
My response was to comments made in the entire thread, not just your comments. And yes, I know you meant the reviewers with "assclown"--but it was mentioned in connection with my name, and I tend to be defensive of that. My bad. ;->
...why not go public with the names?
How is anyone to know which publications are credible or not?
no balls.
To be perfectly honest, PS Audio is only incidental to the piece. I don't think anybody in their right mind would have any issues with your ethics.
BTW..with the DirectStream DAC being the hottest SOTA contender DAC around...it certainly is a nice endorsement that John Atkinson purchased the review sample. Certainly caught my attention as he has had many competing products come through. It must be really good. :)
PS Audio is not just incidental in this piece! A pretty quick examination and common sense should reveal why.
BTW I dont think that the DirectStream is SOTA. I can only guess where you would get this impression!
A good number of very trustworthy listeners I know have told me the DirectStream is fantastic sounding, and quite addicting. If you don't, well that is fine.That being said, for me personally, I don't like being locked into a DSD upsampling scheme. But that does not mean I would not find the DAC "pleasing".
Hard to believe you decided to attack their product, which not anywhere near the topic at hand.
Edits: 05/23/16
Isaak, no matter where we stand on this issue, I may be a bit naive, while I don't put much stock in reviews or reviewers I haven't followed for a long time, I had never given any thought to out right corruption. Sure, I figured some reviewers have gear on long term loan.
So, I didn't take this article as being some plot to build up Stereophile and PS Audio at the expense of the competition, I just did not read that into it.
Sautterj6 has 3 posts all in this thread. I am more suspect of him, than of any of the players involved here.
Someone asked me about 6Moons getting a pass, yes I meant in this thread, I never saw the other posts. As I said, I have only come back recently, and I find little has changed. Members still follow other members around, taking shots at each other.
Maybe Art's article was not all that well thought out, but I do believe his motives were not to make us only trust Stereophile, but to be aware that there is corruption. Like I said, I had never really thought about it.
I'm a music lover and audiophile, not a conspiracy theorist. I really am surprised at how much animosity there is towards Stereophile. To me they have helped move this industry and our interests forward.
It would be nice if everybody would just ligbten up, this is not a life or death issue.
Well, you say you don't put much stock in reviewers, yet in your previous post you speak glowingly of a few, and even talk about having personal communication with them. A contradiction. Which is it?
That being said, you make valid points. But there are counter points to yours.
Why doesn't Stereophile just put their nose to the grindstone, do their jobs as they say they do, and keep their mouths shut? That how I do my job, even though there are folks at competing entities who turn out work I think is substandard. My solution is to make sure the best product I can produce is out there.
Of course it is not life and death. :)
But..you they are talking about unethical behavior, not something to take lightly.
BTW, 6Moons is UPFRONT about their policy and made it public ahead of time. They are not trying to fool anybody or pretend they do not want advertiser support. He also had a damn good point. These manufacturers would take his reviews, by ad space elsewhere with quotes from his reviews, provide reprints at shows, and benefit at zero cost to them. The final point here is I don't think the publisher gives a damn..and if he received a product he feels is uncompetitive, regardless..he is going to say so.
TOTALLY different approach then "We take care of our own..."
Well, you say you don't put much stock in reviewers, yet in your previous post you speak glowingly of a few, and even talk about having personal communication with them. A contradiction. Which is it?"
Here is what I said, no contradiction.
"while I don't put much stock in reviews or reviewers I haven't followed for a long time"
I've been reading Stereophile for 23 years, to me that's a long time.
I've shared my opinion, I'm done.
nt
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