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In Reply to: RE: Great Works - I defy anyone to listen to them and tell me they're not as good as Handel's music ;-) posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 19, 2020 at 09:44:10
I'd fear for your sanity ("Who's that maniac screaming 'vibrato!,' whatever that is"?
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when? : )
Too busy not listening to the Beecham Scherezahde?
But as I've said before, HIPsters have taken over certain repertoire, such as the Rameau opera suites - in this repertoire, I have (as in "have" - not merely have heard via streaming or on the radio) recordings by the Orchestra by the Eighteenth Century, Musicaeterna, Capella Savaria, Philharmonia Baroque, and the English Baroque Soloists. Hard to believe, isn't it? ;-)
Nevertheless, I spent yesterday listening to Janowski and the PSO doing Strauss's Macbeth and Alpensinfonie, the Beethoven Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Symphonies with the Polish Chamber Philharmonic (Sopot) and Rajski, and the Atterberg Second and Eighth Symphonies with the Gothenburg SO and Jarvi - all in glorious MCh!
BTW, when was the last time you listened to 20+ MCh recordings on a weekly basis? I guess we all have our lacunae! ;-)
'it sure ain't the real world'
that looks like a consensus reality?
dammit! all that experience wasted
with regards,
consensus about the world apparently ... the real one, you know
regards,
that's known only to you but I would assume not the same as jdaniel
from your post ... you don't recall telling him he's living in another reality or 'world'? you didn't literally mean world as in 'planet' did you?
you're generally not this obtuse
You said it was a consensus - I thought maybe the consensus was from the folks on your world. I was just wondering who those folks might be. ;-)
The HIPsters say stuff like: "Let's present a performance of the music as the composer would have known it! My response is, how arrogant and self-serving!
One Baroque composer I know of (Francesco Geminiani), who in his time was considered a "musical god" (according to BBC's Radio 3) and the equal of Corelli and Handel, wrote: "Vibrato is indispensable in violin playing." Paul Henry Lang used to quote this many times. In addition, another composer, Ludovico Zacconi (who flourished earlier - in the 1600's), said that vibrato "ought always to be used".
But today's academicians in university music departments prefer to ignore this evidence. And now the whole "vibrato bad!" HIP industry, which preys on the inexperience of many of its listeners, has been spreading like a contagion for decades.
If folks here are interested in further, detailed study of this issue (and I mean getting somewhat down in the weeds!), this linked overview by our friend David Hurwitz from Classics Today would be a much better starting point than the "scholarese" tripe one usually finds about the subject in JAMS (Journal of the American Musicological Society - which represents the "party line" orthodoxy of most American and Western European entrenched academics) and the like. Dave's study deals with the later eighteenth-century, rather than the earlier eighteenth-century, but his principles and reasoning are sound IMHO.
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