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In Reply to: RE: Boyce posted by svisner on September 19, 2020 at 07:12:37
And that seems to be a venerable recording you have - it seems to have been reissued at least a couple of times, including on CD. I haven't heard Janigro and company in that repertoire, but his other recordings I've heard have been excellent - even including his recording of the Haydn Sturm und Drang Symphonies, where he has the horns in the Symphony No. 48 playing an octave too low throughout! For the Boyce Symphonies, I have the Marriner recording - reliable as usual, but I'm sure that that Janigro recording is nice! I'm actually surprised by how many recordings of these works are by groups which play with sufficient vibrato in the strings! IOW, this is some Baroque repertoire which has not been "taken over" by the HIPsters. ;-)
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I'd fear for your sanity ("Who's that maniac screaming 'vibrato!,' whatever that is"?
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when? : )
Too busy not listening to the Beecham Scherezahde?
But as I've said before, HIPsters have taken over certain repertoire, such as the Rameau opera suites - in this repertoire, I have (as in "have" - not merely have heard via streaming or on the radio) recordings by the Orchestra by the Eighteenth Century, Musicaeterna, Capella Savaria, Philharmonia Baroque, and the English Baroque Soloists. Hard to believe, isn't it? ;-)
Nevertheless, I spent yesterday listening to Janowski and the PSO doing Strauss's Macbeth and Alpensinfonie, the Beethoven Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Symphonies with the Polish Chamber Philharmonic (Sopot) and Rajski, and the Atterberg Second and Eighth Symphonies with the Gothenburg SO and Jarvi - all in glorious MCh!
BTW, when was the last time you listened to 20+ MCh recordings on a weekly basis? I guess we all have our lacunae! ;-)
'it sure ain't the real world'
that looks like a consensus reality?
dammit! all that experience wasted
with regards,
consensus about the world apparently ... the real one, you know
regards,
that's known only to you but I would assume not the same as jdaniel
from your post ... you don't recall telling him he's living in another reality or 'world'? you didn't literally mean world as in 'planet' did you?
you're generally not this obtuse
You said it was a consensus - I thought maybe the consensus was from the folks on your world. I was just wondering who those folks might be. ;-)
The HIPsters say stuff like: "Let's present a performance of the music as the composer would have known it! My response is, how arrogant and self-serving!
One Baroque composer I know of (Francesco Geminiani), who in his time was considered a "musical god" (according to BBC's Radio 3) and the equal of Corelli and Handel, wrote: "Vibrato is indispensable in violin playing." Paul Henry Lang used to quote this many times. In addition, another composer, Ludovico Zacconi (who flourished earlier - in the 1600's), said that vibrato "ought always to be used".
But today's academicians in university music departments prefer to ignore this evidence. And now the whole "vibrato bad!" HIP industry, which preys on the inexperience of many of its listeners, has been spreading like a contagion for decades.
If folks here are interested in further, detailed study of this issue (and I mean getting somewhat down in the weeds!), this linked overview by our friend David Hurwitz from Classics Today would be a much better starting point than the "scholarese" tripe one usually finds about the subject in JAMS (Journal of the American Musicological Society - which represents the "party line" orthodoxy of most American and Western European entrenched academics) and the like. Dave's study deals with the later eighteenth-century, rather than the earlier eighteenth-century, but his principles and reasoning are sound IMHO.
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Well, on open reel, it's sumptuous.
As good as Handel? Tall order, but perhaps, at times.
I mean, when I listen to Boyce's Symphony No. 5 (with the two trumpets), I think that Handel rarely if ever gets better than that (at least when he uses similar forces). The choral music might be a different story, and I haven't heard any of Boyce's anthems, etc.
And let's not forget the latest "royal occasion" when Boyce's music was played: his Symphony No. 1 (first movement) was used as the opening processional music for the bride and bridegroom when Prince Henry married Meghan Markle a couple of years ago. If that doesn't convince people that Boyce was a worthy composer, I don't know what will! ;-)
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Well, his 5th Symphony does rival Handel. I like the recording at the link you posted, but you might really enjoy the I Solisti di Zagreb version to which I am listening.
but it is on TIDAL.
And his #5 ain't too shabby, if you like that sort of thing.
Think it was released on Vanguard back in the day. Bet it sounds even better on reel to reel.
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