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I looked up some numbers. By 2012 75% of all Asians residing inthe U.S. were foriegn born

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Analog Scott

In Reply to: RE: All I can say is, that doesn't match my own anecdotal experience posted by Chris from Lafayette on September 14, 2020 at 01:15:10

I would expect the number to be even higher today. And because of the substantial immigration to the U.S. since WWII many Asians born in the U.S. were of parents or grandparents of Asian immigrants that came well past any of the Chinese slaves (they were slaves for all practical purposes) or Japanese who suffered the concentration camps of WWII. So I thinkit is fair to point out that comparing Asian representation in American orchestras to that of African Americans simply doesn't apply.

I think it is very fair to point out that the disparity is far more likely due to cultural differences that are internal than external racism. However it is clear by the profound change in the complexion of modern orchestras today well after the common use of blind auditions shows us that the extent of raicism and sexism inherent in the process ran very deep. And so long as initial and final auditions are not done blind it will continue to influence orchestral hirings.

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I certainly can't argue with your final paragraph - Chris from Lafayette 11:26:19 09/14/20 (3)
BTW, if I may ask, what's the source for your 75% figure?
- RE: I certainly can't argue with your final paragraph - Analog Scott 18:45:14 09/15/20 (2)
  I exagerated. It was 74% and ony adults in 2012. But....any non adult Asian born in the U.S. will likely be the son or daughter of an immigrant if the number of adults is 74%. Which supports my point that comparing African Americans to Asian Americans because of Chinese slavery 150 years ago or the incarceration of Japanese Americans during WWII is profoundly skewed by the current makeup of the Asian population in America today.
  - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/19/the-rise-of-asian (Open in New Window)
  Edits: 09/15/20
  - Ha! Caught you exaggerating! - I knew it! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:11:23 09/16/20 (1)
    Thanks for the link BTW. ;-)
    - Indeed, I am guilty. But my point still stands - Analog Scott 06:31:07 09/16/20 (0)
      Most Asians living in America are not decendents of Chinese slaves or Japanese concentration camps. So juxtapositioning Asians living in the U.S. with African Americans as two oppressed groups does not hold water. The vast majority of Asians living in America do not share a lineage of severe oppression that almost all African Americans carry. And IF that were the primary cause of lack of representation in American Orchestras it would not apply to Asians.

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