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Please look at this blog talking about cables
http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=7469
I have replaced about $5000 worth of cables ( Hi-diamond8, auditorium23 and Nordost) with $275 worth of cables. These are Beldin 1804 interconnects and 16ga stranded tinned copper speaker cable made by Western Electric in 1950
The improvement in sound was substantial. Much greater experience of the recording environment, improved low level resolution, very wide and deep soundstage and great macro and micro dynamics. These cables are inexpensive and certainly worth auditioning. The resulting sound of these cables puts into question th very high cost of many cables. Stereophile just reviewed some new cables by Luna. If you read the description they are really Western Electric cables at a lot more money. The high end magazines will never review these cables
Alan
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I've been using Belden 8402 diy ic's since the cable was mentioned on Jeff's Place. They replaced ic's made of up-occ wire and Wireworld RCA's. Presently I'm testing a pair of 8402 ic's with KLEI Silver Harmony RCA's. I also I made a short 8402 ic to use as a SPDIF ic and it sounds musical compared to the Oyaide DR-510 I had been using. The Belden and Duelund DCA16GA combo are a dream in my system.
that is what happened with this wire combo for me, it is simply musical and harmonically rich imo.
Worth a shot for fifty bucks
and for the audiophile crowd.....
"Custom terminated by us using pure Cardas solder and our custom Cryogenically treated Switchcraft RCA connector"or build your own
http://btpa.com/CA-0582.html
Edits: 07/22/16
Did you happen to replace the A23 IC between your Aurieges and amp(s) with the 8402? It would a great to find a $30 or $40 IC that had as good or better synergy than the A23 in the run from the Shindo. I'm not about to shell out $1500 for the "magic" Shindo IC either. FWIW, I've got both the WE wire and 8402 heading my way.
I never used A23 as interconnect. Just speaker wire. Used Sablon Pantella or Nordost SPM as interconnect. Beldin is much better
Alan
Yes, it sounds great
Alan
Its not the cables....just how well they get along with the things it connects to. I've tried at least 30 different cables from different manufacturers....their most expensive, to the lesser lines. Some of them were fine and others were awful. I now have relatively inexpensive cables that are absolutely amazing in the music they bring. You have to try different cables in your system to find that magic. (I have all Ayre components...Ayre said Cardas is what they recommend....awful).
NT
Agreed 100%!
My bi-wired rig plus ICs cost me $270!
Best regards,
Jim Smith
Changing something often makes a big xplash in the mind. The challenge is to put back the old stuff, after awhile, and then see if the new stuf really was as big a deal as first thought.
I have found the later comparison to offer plenty to chew on.
Some things do not impress nearly as much, other I can clearly hear the difference I found in the first place to be valid.
I usually evaluate something new over a period of several weeks or even months. listening to lots of material. I place no faith
in A/B comparisons. A/B comparisons can be very misleading
Alan
Or are they still available?
You have to do a search.
here's one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-feet-Western-Electric-speaker-wire-16ga-KS13385-twist-STRANDED-WIRE-cloth-/191907882914?hash=item2cae99e7a2:g:shEAAOSwqBJXUr-6They are hard to find
The Belden is readily available
Alan
Edits: 07/21/16
Alan, with more than 4,200 posts under your belt I'd like to encourage you to use the "optional link URL" box that's at the bottom of every message form. You clearly are familiar with copying the URL of a web page, but instead of pasting it directly into your message, paste it into the aforementioned box and a link will magically appear that we can all click on. It is incredibly easy.
Like so:
My interest is certainly peaked.
It was made in the seventies, maybe even the eighties.
Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire is 16 ga multistrand tinned copper wire with black cotton dielectric that is impregnated in oil. Now avalable at Parts Connexion. More info at the link below.
"""Neotech's UP-OCC copper is at least 99.99998% pure, and has an average crystal size of 125 meters (410 feet)! Compare this to the average crystal size of Oxygen Free Copper, which is .02 meters (3/4"). UP-OCC copper and silver are considered the ultimate in copper and silver conductior technology today. """
This looks interesting too.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
I know cleaning and reconnecting mine makes a difference including speaker wire. Retetmination of old cables helps too.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Just unplugging cleaning and reconnecting cables can make a big differenve. Had you done that within a year? I use diy 14 ga coppper foil tinned on the end for speaker wire. Never tried anything expensive except Kimber 8TC and that flat Nordost and I like the foil better.I like Speltz anticable interconnects. I tried both copper and silver. Silver was 3X the money and only very slightly better even with silver Eichmanns compared to the Neutrik RCA on the base model. I now DIY them in copper. The silver uses a copper return, Id like to try an all silver to see if there is a difference. Im one of those that needs to rule out alternatives by trying them.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Edits: 07/21/16
TY -Alan
Belden 1804? Not the 8402 mentioned in the blog?
Sorry
I am using 8402
My memory is getting old
Alan
Can I have the old cables? :)
You can bid on them
Alan
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