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About $450 for a 8 foot pair.
Any comments on these? I've owned DH Labs stuff in the distant past and never had a bad experience with it.
Anything else in that price range to consider?
All comments welcome.
"Familiarity breeds contempt, and children."
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I use them in two systems.
Bryston to Martin Logan SL3 (double runs - biwired)
W4S amp to Magnepan 1.7
IMHO they are very good and very transparent and have great value I would say. I have not had the desire to look for something else. I understand the reasoning why silver plating might not be ideal from a pure design perspective and even why multi-strand might not be ideal either, but in this case of speaker cable I think the whole recipe and design really works. I had not liked the BL1 balanced cable from DH and went in other directions, but I did like very much the Q-10 for its performance and price. On a side note some 5-6 yrs ago when I was reading about the Q-10, it was often mentioned as favorite for planar speakers. To get into more elaborate cable designs using independent conductor isolation (litz etc..) or ribbons the cost gets high rather quickly.
Excellent, off the charts value. There are very few sure things in life..this is one of them.
> > Excellent, off the charts value. There are very few sure things in life..this is one of them < <
This is of course your opinion. IMO they're merely a decent value, pretty much what's to be expected at the price and certainly nothing even close to off-the-charts special.
Newsflash..of course it is my opinion, but what I consider a very well informed on. I have used this cable and other DH Labs offerings against cables costing 20X as much.
Perhaps you should provide context for YOUR opinion..and list your system?
So, your opinion is a "well informed" one as opposed to others' opinions who also have a lot of money invested in their systems and who also strongly voice their well informed "factual" opinions... now that's a news flash if there ever was one!
The only thing that you've told us, is that you have found a cable that matches well and performs excellent in your system to your ears. The only thing I've said, is that I have obtained average (for the price) results with this cable in my systems. I don't doubt what you hear and good for you (I mean this sincerely) for being happy with what you were able to accomplish. I just object to extraordinary claims presented as fact.
I really don't know understand why have a boner for my statement..I said it was an off the charts value. NO WHERE did I say it was the best cable on the market, or better than far more expensive offerings.I said IN COMPARISON to far more expensive offerings it shows its value.
I use it one of my auxillary systems, not main main system.
And let's get real. The cable has been in continuous production for over a decade, and it costs $450 for an eight foot pair.
So much for "extraordinary claims".
Edits: 04/07/15
OK, you did put the whole thing in better perspective with your latest comment which wasn't the case initially. I probably over reacted a bit, just as you over reached somewhat with your original 20X-the-price comment. The funny thing is, that it is conceivable to find a system in which this cable can outperform a $10K set of cables - no argument there. On the flip side of the coin, it's also conceivable that a system could also be assembled where a rat shack zip cord could synergize and perform better than the DH Labs cable.
My point in all this, is that for cables (IMO more so than with other components), price is less indicative of performance, BUT this can go both ways - up as well as down.
Fair enough, no hard feelings.
I agree with your statement about price.
Cables happen to be a product category that seems to have the most pitfalls for audiophiles with all sorts of pseudo scientific claims, arbitrary pricing, and for some reason cables have become status symbols, and manufacturers have taken full advantage of that in their marketing.
The end effect is that the cable makers have gotten away with such a con job "cheap" cables are viewed with suspicion.
I agree with everything you said and especially so with your last statement.
Cheers.
I truly believe in high end audio there is a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome. Especially with cable manufacturers and customers. Some cable companies have a cult like following, and no matter how much they abuse their followers, they come back for more.
Silver plated copper conductors for audio (and power cord) cabling can be problematic from an audiophile POV. While not the upper-line DH Labs Q10, I recently replaced a short-length pair of DH Labs T-14 speaker cable placed between an audio distribution amplifier and a speaker selector with Cardas Crosslink 1S speaker cable, and was surprised how much better the Crosslink 1S sounded. You can build a DIY version, or a factory terminated product for well under your stated price point.
"Silver plated copper conductors for audio (and power cord) cabling can be problematic from an audiophile POV"
Please explain this arbitrary comment.
There is nothing arbitrary about the comment. The topic has been discussed hundreds of times over the years in Audio Asylum. Here's one brief post going back to 2002 by John Curl.
http://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=cables&n=61733
Designer Profile: John Curl - Parasound
http://avmax.tech2.in.com/features/science-and-technology/designer-profile-john-curl-parasound/928464
Are you for real?
You claim you post is not arbitrary and back it up with a 13 year old post that is just an arbitrary opinion. I know full well who John Curl is.
There is nothing what so ever here that proves anything is problematic.
And if it is, well you had better ask all Nordost, Audioquest, and countless other cable company customers to ask for refunds.
I had the original Q10-never figured out how the signature is different other than new outside cover- along with the BL 1 and Air matrix interconnects.I used them for quite awhile with an all Bryston setup and found them a very honest, neutral , revealing cable. These are not the cables to use with any components are that bright or lean in that direction at all.
They would seem to be a good match with most tube equipment and are ( or at least were ) sold and recommended by Kevin Deal.
I presently use Neotech cables ( from Take Five Audio in Canada-no affiliation ) and find them to be more musical in the best sense of the word.
Edits: 04/04/15
Thanks! for sharing- lancelot.
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