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Hi all,
I'm using stock or low quality power cables in my system. There are 5 of them. I'll change three of them to good ones and other two to better ones. I assume that power distribution cable must be "better" and also pre-amplifier. Or maybe source? Any opinions?
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Firat Cingi
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I haven't found any readily apparent hierarchy in determining what component benefits the most from a power cord upgrade. Some gear may seem to be more sensitive to power cord swaps, but that does not mean that less responsive gear should be neglected. I would rather choose to address each component as being an equal, but if push came to shove, and I were to start with one component, I would likely begin with the preamplifier power cord first, since I consider a preamplifier to be the heart of an audio system, and perhaps the most sensitive if not vital device vis-à-vis a power cord upgrade. YMMV
Edits: 04/24/12
I have found that power cords like all cable should be listened to within your system to find out what they will do. I made my own powercords - Accrolink cable with either Furutech or Oyeida plugs. I'm using them on Ayre equipment....funny that the Oyeida plugs sounds better in the preamp and silver disc player than the Furutech....however, the Furutech sounds better on the amp than on the premp or CD player. If I had only one power cord to install, in MY system, the preamp derived the most benefit.
Both Furutech and Oyeida plugs are the top of the line F1 series for Furutech, and M1 series for Oyeida. I'm not sure what they are made of. They both sound excellent, but in MY system it follows as I describe above.
for clarification. Since the are top of the line versions my previous question is clarified.
In fact I heard the same comment from a friend who has Mastersound 845 monos, Lector Pre and Lector CD player. He confirms that Furutech FI-35/25 rhodiums are better on amplifier; Oyaide 046's are better on source and pre amp.
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Firat Cingi
Which Oyaide and Furutech plugs are you talking about? Gold plated plugs tend to be a better match with digital sources. Maybe your case is a matter of "elements" not brands?
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Firat Cingi
Preamp first, then amp.
Jack
Thank you all, people.
My source is a turntable with an external power supply. It works with DC, so I think it will benefit less then a CD player. But I understand that source is the first component to consider.
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Firat Cingi
In my experience and in my system, a change to the amplifier PC makes the biggest impact but your system may have a different synergy and reacts differently. Fundamentally though, as many inmates have posted and agreed on this topic, use shielded PC for the digital source (CDP) and non-shielded for the amp.
My amps benefit the most from a good PC, my cdp and preamp only slightly. My amps are on separate 20 amp lines directly to wall and the pre and cdp are through a Hydra 4.
don't ask questions you don't want answered...
pre and cdp are through a Hydra 4.
And what PC are using to feed the Hydra 4?
The Hydra came with a Diamondback PC, found package deal on Agon.
don't ask questions you don't want answered...
My amps benefit the most from a good PC, my cdp and preamp only slightly.
That may be the case with your system. But I have to wonder if your conclusion is not cued some what by the introduction of the Hydra 4 and the Diamondback PC.
I wonder if you would come a way with the same thinking if the Hydra 4/Diamondback PC combination were not part of the equation.
Are you using just the stock OEM PC on the CDP? Or is it an aftermarket?
It would be iteresting what your listening results would be if the Hydra 4/Diamondback PC were removed if your opinion, Which Component Benefits More From a PC Upgrade? , would be the same......
Best regards,
Jim
jea48, Good point I would ask the same. Last spring I bought four Audioquest NRG 10 PCs. One for each amp and one for the preamp and cdp. Because I'm crazy and obsessive this winter I pulled the AQ PCs from the preamp and cdp and tried stock, not much difference. At the amps no doubt huge improvement with the AQs. I ended up selling two of the AQs and getting some lighter gauge cords that were also cheaper for the preamp and cdp with equal results. I only got Hydrated a few weeks ago but suspect if I experimented cords between the Hydra and the cdp or preamp it would be a waste of money. YMMV P.S. Separate 20 amp isolated ground outlets, one for each amp and one for preamp and source. Ed
don't ask questions you don't want answered...
I believe the NRG 10 PC is non shielded.... Great for power amps and preamps.A CDP, as a rule, works best with a shielded PC.
It helps control hash, RFI/EMI, from entering a CDP from the mains and helps prevent hash, RFI/EMI, from the CDP going back out on the mains.
Also helps stop radiated RFI/EMI from the PC crossing over onto ICs close to the PC.If memory serves me right the Shunyata Diamondback PC is a shielded PC.
Edits: 04/23/12
This will take some trail and error! as the source rule first may not apply, best to try one aftermarket Pc an move to each component with 30min to settle in place,Do this of course once your rig is warmed up and the cable itself has been fully burned in. It may be the Amp, Power conditioner or preamp that gives the best results given a specific cable. Ideally a 12 or 10awg shielded cable is a good place to start!
keep us posted on your findings!
Hope this helps
How do you know that the stock cables are low quality?
Edits: 04/21/12
Well friend, they are $5 cables which comes with computers etc. I bought my components second hand and all came without cables.
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Firat Cingi
How do you know that the are low quality? Do they not pass current through them or something?
Oh, look.. Who is here, a skeptical. Sorry friend but if you don't believe "cable does matter" what are you doing on the Cables Forum?
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Firat Cingi
Mungo's posts.
Skeptical of cables - but posts mostly here.
Regards,
Geoff
Just trying to save you guys money and away from the unscrupulous cable vendors.
Thank you for clarification Mungo but kindly reminding you that, this is not a help. If you really want to help please explain your background, your system and your experience. Have you ever make any blind test or something? Do you think all the cables are same OR some manufactures ask enormous amount of money? I didn't give any specific manufacturer name in order not to cause a brand war. My question is simple, which component benefits more? If you don't believe in cables, your answer must be none.
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Firat Cingi
Let me clarify then: no component would benefit. How's that?
Let me clarify then: no component would benefit. How's that?
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Edits: 04/22/12
Ooops, sorry! Carry on gents.
NT.
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Firat Cingi
Based on my experiences. I tried several power cords on my CDP. All made significant changes to the sonics. I noticed less impact on preamp and amp.
Would preamp be next?
N/T
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Firat Cingi
*grins sheepishly*
If you are spinning, I found it to be a bit of a toss up. In my system the next most effective spot is the amps but that will vary system to system. If you have an out board phonostage then I would try an aftermarket cord in both positions and go with whats sounds better. If you are using 'stock' cords on any equipment then try to make sure the blades are nickel free, that will help.
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Nt.
I would start from the source, every nuance is amplified downstream.
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