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I use a Pioneer VSX 1120 and a Behringer phono preamp through the "CD In" to listen to my TT. Why is the volume so low when I listen to a record through this, as opposed to the tuner or anything else? I have to really crank the volume to it's limits to get to a normal listening level?
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Check your input settings on the receiver to verify that the input is setup for analog and not digital in the advanced input settings. Sounds to me like your individual input settings, at least the ones you tried, are configured as digital by default. Additionally, turn off your automatic room compensation and play the music from source where the phono is connected as direct, or source direct, bypassing any room compensation controls.
Good luck,
Audioquest4life
Thanks everyone. I think the culprit is the Behringer. It is loud enough from the TT - just not what I get from the other sources.
The only thing that matters is that you can get the volume high/loud enough for yourself, not what the number says when doing so or where the knob is turned to when doing so. We don't know a lot of data that might be helpful. Another poster speculated it was a MM preamp w/35db gain which is on the lower side. We also don't know what cartridge you have which also makes a big difference.
Again the only thing that matters is that it can play loud enough with the volume set somewhere. Another poster said vinyl setups often require a higher volume level than other components which is also most often true.
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Another poster speculated it was a MM preamp w/35db gain which is on the lower side.
Just the specs . :)
It's normal to need a higher volume control setting when playing vinyl compared to other sources, but you shouldn't need to max it out. Check to be sure the stylus assembly is pushed all the way into the cartridge body. Other than that, I don't know why you would need such a high setting on your volume control.
Good luck,
John Elison
Are cartridge leads properly connected, is table wiring OK, are phono pre cables OK, did you check other inputs that you are sure work OK?
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The MM gain is stated as 35dB which is average, however the input sensitivity that this is based upon is stated as being 5.3mV (1K Hz) which is higher than average.
Think my V-LPS phono stage has (for example) a stated input sensitivity of 3.5mV and per the help I once received here in the forums the gain was calculated to be in the 38-39dB range.
This was only 3-4dB more than my previous (even cheaper;-) phono stage(s) known as the Li'l Rats, but it was just enough to work well enough with my setup.
If you cannot achieve enough volume using the volume pot on your amplifier, then you will need a phono preamp with higher overall gain.
If you can achieve enough volume, but just have to turn the volume pot higher, then I would just live with it for now (this is what volume pots are for) and wait until you make changes/upgrade in the future.
Connect your interconnects from the phono stage to the DVD, TV/SAT or CD IN jacks. Then switch to that source.
sorry my mistake - it currently is in the "cd in" jack, not the pre out.
That should work. Is there a tape monitor switch that might be engaged? Try the CD/tape input. What cartridge are you using?
Shure M97
You should have plenty of phono output. Have you used the Shure & Behringer with other amps with no problem?
It's always been this way. I heard that the Shure is rated at 4.0 mV output. I heard that is relatively low and the reason for the low volume (relative). do you agree?
used one myself for awhile and the Behringer is really shy on gain with only 35 db. I think that's as good as it gets with your combination.
No 4mV is not low. My moving coil has 1mV output, however my phono pre has 65+ db gain. What model behringer is it?
PP400. Thanks for your help BTW.
Well, I am stumped. Should all work together and provide decent gain. Try different audio inputs of the receiver, make sure the tape monitor switch is off, mute switch off if you have one. Sorry, I am out of ideas.
Thanks. Tape monitor switch? What is that?
I am not familiar with your receiver, I Googled it and looked at the photo of the rear panel. It has a tape in/out. This loop allows you to hear the tape in real time just as it is being recorded. Now if this switch is engaged, sometimes it mutes the source signal, thinking it is playing back the tape. I don't know if your receiver has this switch, however, I would look for it on your front panel, your remote or owner's manual. Good luck, maybe someone else could chime in with another suggestion.
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