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Holy crap batman!
I put the Rogue Cronus Magnum integrated amp back in my system today just for grins.... running KT120 power tubes of course. I spent some critical listening time comparing it against my Ampzilla 2000 2nd Edition monoblocks and Pass Labs XP-10 linestage. All I can say is wow, that little Rogue is one incredible bargain.
Is the Rogue better than my separates? No but are my separates $10,000 better than the Rogue? Hell no! I could easily enjoy the Rogue forever.
While it doesn't have quite the detail or slam as the separates, or the top end extension, the Rogue is a bit warmer and richer sounding and still very dynamic and clean. It's also a bit more robust in the lower mids.
It's one of things where you can swap back and forth and hear differences but is one setup truly that much better than the other? Hardly.
I'd take the little Rogue over my previous Bryston monoblock pair any day. While the Rogue can't quite match my current separates, if I had to I could easily go back to the Rogue full time and be completely satisfied.
How would the audio rags write it up? You've heard it before..... "Hits above it's weight class, acquits itself nicely, didn't shame itself, didn't shit it's pants, didn't wet the carpet, etc. etc." Whatever.
I am still incredibly impressed with the Rogue Cronus Magnum integrated.
It's freezing cold outside. May as well play some music
Comparing Rogue Cronus Magnum tube integrated vs Ampzilla 2000 2nd Edition monoblocks and Pass Labs XP-10 linestage
Follow Ups:
..just wondering if you've compared the Ayre integrated.....its really quite good.
I completely agree. I've bought the Cronus twice now, the first time used and the second time new. And I'm sure I'll buy it again at some point. Whenever I get in the "it's time to downsize and get out of this crazy hobby mode", the Cronus is the first thing that comes to mind. At one point I had an all Shindo set-up mated to some Devore Silverbacks. I took the Cronus from my office set-up to the big rig and was shocked by the delta. I've cycled through a ton of gear and there are a few pieces I've gone back to twice. The Rogue is on that very small list.
Abe, I've read a bit of you posts in the past and you really seem to like this amp, as your system changes. Why don't you set up a modest system in a living room or den based on this amp with a simple source, and small monitors? Then you can use your main system for experimentation.
....with a $6500 integrated amp (VAC Avatar Super) versus over $20,000 of separates. I was stunned by how musical that little VAC integrated amp was. It wasn't quite as revealing as the +$20K separates, but I could have lived with it very happily. Of course, as we all know in this hobby, I didn't. I eventually sold it, but I still regret selling it.
It does not surprise me that the Rogue integrated held its own against the more powerful separates.
I think if you compared the two systems on speakers that weren't whores for current like your Thiels, the Rogue would fare better still.
I am not bashing Thiel, just stating that they lap up juice like a dog in a bowl of gravy.
........I was a vegetarian for 15 minutes... until the main course.
Try the Cronus Magnum (KT120 version) with a pair of Tekton Design Lores (98dB) or M-Lores (95db) and hear the beautiful music with the Cronus just idling along powering either of these highly efficient and easy to drive speakers.
Cheers,
Al
I sold a Pass XP-10 and XA30.5 a few weeks ago as a symbolic gesture. Last Monday, a Yamaha A-S2000 integrated amp, also approx. $2000, arrived. It sounds very, very good. A bit more pronounced high frequencies, but no harshness, not grainy. Speakers are Tannoy Turnberry. I was using an Audioquest Colorado XLR between the XP-10 and XA-30.5, so I doubt the interconnect was causing the the Pass stuff to not completely blow away the Yamaha integrated. Also: Using a TC Electronic Level Pilot as interconnect between a Schiit Gungnir DAC and the kooky overly sensitive XLR input on the Yamaha!! Also: No longer using Dynavector P75 phono preamp and AQ Panther interconnect from phono. Whatever the Kuzma cable is is going directly to the Yamaha, in MC mode. Sounds fine! I even like the headphone output, although I've only used it with ancient Grado SR-80s. I have some Stax headphones upstairs in the bedroom, attached to a Micromega DAC, but didn't feel the urge to walk all the way up there to listen to them. Maybe with Magico speakers and a dCS DAC, etc., there would have been a huge difference. Hey: Maybe it's the XP-10. I replaced an ARC LS-26 with the XP-10 after the ARC remote misbehaved and ARC said there was no fix possible. I was less entranced by the XP-10 than with the LS-26, sound-wise, although it never did anything crazy when I used its remote.
I second the recommendation on the Yamaha A-S2000. I have one mated with the matching CD-S2000, and it sounds damn good. In some ways, it actually sounds a little better than the Pass Labs separates mentioned (and I have owned the Pass Labs gear). The Yamaha A-S2000 IS a serious piece of gear, showing that Yamaha is back in the game.Having said all that, I have discovered that DIY audio gear can get to levels commercial gear cannot achieve at any reasonable price. Enclosed is a picture of a recently completed pair of 110 watt monoblocks that are an order of magnitude better sounding than any comparable commercial gear (tube or solid state). The power amps are mated to a DIY preamp that is a C/J clone, uses 12AX7/7058 tubes. The combination sounds better than most any gear I've heard at any of the shows. They drive a pair of ATC SCM-19's with a SVS SB13 Ultra sub. The ATC speakers with the Super Linear driver is among the best speakers regardless of price.
I'm kind of surprised more hard core audio geeks don't employ the DIY approach. It's truly amazing just how good of sound one can get from them.
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
Edits: 12/19/13
I'm one of them.
I suspect my Quads would turn it into jelly in five minutes, though.
A pity.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
I've been looking at the Yamaha A-S2000 integrated online and it's a nice looking piece with lots of positive reviews. I'm hesitant to try one for myself because of my less than efficient Thiel speakers.
I've been pleased with the XP-10. My previous linestages included the Aesthetix Calypso which was excellent and the ARC LS25mkII that was OK but not quite what I was hoping for sonically.
If I were to retire, move, downsize, etc., (which isn't too far off!) I would probably go for more efficient speakers and a good integrated.
Abe,
You already have a good integrated, the Rogue Cronus Magnum. You should try some Harbeth speakers. I have seen several posts in favor of such combination. Maybe that could be your "retirement" system.
Cheers,
FW
Please don't tell me you will slip down to a Yamaha receiver now?? I mean I have a Yamaha turntable (GT-2000) but that was from another era when Yamaha made serious hifi products.
My own experiences with Pass gear has left me decidedly unimpressed with their sonics. I like Nelson's First Watt and DIY philosophies very much and probably these products sound good but his mainline products (X series and XA series) have left me scratching my head. On paper they should sound pretty good and in reality just ok. I heard a demo of a X350.5 getting destroyed sonically by a Cayin amp!! Ok it was the top amp from this chinese company (PushPull with two 845s per monoblock) but still, if the great Pass cannot make one of his top products sound better than a chinese tube amp he should really go back to the drawing board.
FWIW, your Thiel's are not so hard to drive in a moderate size room as long as you are not at ear splitting levels. A KR VA350i would work just fine and give you sonics in the upper tier. We had no problems driving all kinds of tough speakers with this amp (inlcuding the Thiel CS3.7, Acoustats, Apogees etc.).
Well even your opinion is only an opinion. Preference has far more to do with it than objective appraisal.
Your recommendation to me for the Forté Model 5 convinced me that you & I are different wavelengths. I bought a Model 5 and found to sound very unnatural despite -- or largely because of -- its glossed, rolled-off highs. Admitted the Model 5 is a cheap amp on the used market, but clearly we don't value the same performance.
My recently acquired Pass Labs X150.5 is by far the most natural sounding amp I've ever had in my system.
I love the music of ...... Gustav Mahler
Let's be clear about something, I suggested that the Forte model 5 would not be a bad choice for VERY LITTLE money. That is all. I never said it was really good in absolute terms. Just better than a lot of inexpensive Class D amps. For sure a Pass X150.5 is very likely to be better. You were talking about spending a few hundred max so then it was a sensible recommendation.
You now have a much more expensive amp than you claimed to be capable of purchasing...well ok but now you are in a price class where there are lots of other options, many of which I think are better.
FWIW, the Forte 4 would have been a far better choice, being Class A and all.
I'll throw my 2 cents in FWIW. I've owned a Forte 1a (class A), briefly, before getting my Pass X250.5. Never heard the 5 or 4a, but the 1a was pretty darned impressive for the paltry cash I paid for it. The x250.5 (high bias class AB) is better overall (more balanced and does everything well) but that little 1a was not too shabby.
I also have a recently acquired older Aleph 5 that I'm still evaluating (dog days of summer are too hot where I live to run it right now). When the weather cools off I'll switch out the x250.5 for the Aleph and do some serious listening.
Nice! Brewmaster. I have not heard about Aleph 5, for some time now. Keep us posted.
Forte4 better than the Pass feaner has? Wow morricab, you obviously have never really spent any time with either amp. Class A does not automatically equate to better sound. In this comparison, you really miss the mark.
I said the 4 is better than the 5...that is all.
... or even the Forte 4, both being Pass-designed class A.I didn't construe that you were suggesting the Forte 5 was a great amp overall. I did construe that you thought I ought to be impressed with smoother highs and perhaps fuller midrange.
The fact is that I found the Forte 5 didn't accurately reproduce the sound of instruments. I'm not sure I can put my finger on it precisely, but it seemed to me that the timbre of many instruments wasn't correct. I still preferred my Class D Audio amp in that and other respects, not withstanding sharp highs in case of some recordings.
The Pass X150.5 is a big step up from either amp and very, very good at reproducing instrument timbres. Also and in particular, the X150.5 has to my ear, (less experienced with high-end equipment than yours), brilliant dynamics when paired with a decent preamp.
I love the music of ...
Edits: 12/16/13
You said over and over that you were on such a tight budget, SO I said that the 5 was a good choice for the money...period. I have heard the Aleph 0 monos and they didn't impress me...probably use too much feedback because the NAT I have now is a similar concept (i.e. single ended transistor output but NAT has tubes before unlike Aleph). I would be more interested in some of the newer First Watt creations...I don't need big power.
For $400 an Adcom GFP 555II is a better amp.
I love the music of ...
Having owned an Adcom amp in my early audiophile days (GFA 545) I would strongly disagree with this assessment, not even close really.
Our tastes differ. I've owned both the Forte 5 and the Adcom GFA-555II, (not the 545). By my preference the 555II is the better amp overall.
I love the music of ...
Do not forget the Adcom 565 power amp!
NT
"What this country needs is a good 5 watt amplifier!" (Paul Klipsch)
I suspect that you meant GFA 555II :-)
Cheers,
Al
nt
I love the music of ...
All I know is that I'm really enjoying what my Forté 4a is doing, and I'm holding on to it! :)[edit]: I mentioned only the "4a", but to be clear, I meant also the "4" (4a offers balanced inputs, whereas "4" just has unbalanced).
Edits: 12/19/13
I had no issues with the X150.5 with X2.5 linestage or the Cary SLP-05 linestage, which I also had at the time. MY issue was with the Pass INT-150 integrated that fell well short of my expectations and the combos mentioned above. Some will say, 'what do you expect it's an integrated'. True, but I've also heard much better sounding integrated amps.
I have found the X150.5 to have exceptional dynamics compare to anything I've previous own -- this is in combination with my ARC LS9 preamp. E.g. piano and percussion instruments of all types are hugely improved.
As you suggest, maybe the problem with the INT-150 is the passive preamp stage but the X150.5 seems to have no such problems.
I love the music of ...
I agree 100%. I liked the X150.5 with Pass X2.5 linestage or Cary SLP-05 linestage. I thought I could save some space and get the same performance from the INT-150. This was not the case and I was disappointed.
That Yammy does look like a nice piece, sort of Lux-lite. Can't find any to try in Canada but would fer sure if I could. In the meantime the Rogue is a very fine placekeeper.
n
All nice points, Abe.
I, too, am interested in the newest offering from Yamaha.
How did the Jeff Rowland gear perform in your system (no pressure)?
I liked the Jeff Rowland Concentra II a lot, much more than the Pass Labs INT-150. I almost regret selling it. The only issue was my need for a bit more power and a warmer tone. Otherwise it was an excellent integrated.
The guy who bought it from me got a great deal as it was truly in pristine condition. You rarely see these up for sale and like most used Jeff Rowland gear, they're usually not in 9/10 condition because of that soft clear coat they use on the shiny front panels. You'll often find nicks or scuffs in the clear coat and a 8/10 or worse rating, if the owner is being honest.
The Concentra II has a blue display and more output power than the earlier Concentra with red display.
And a tid bit about the Pass INT-150.... Before I had the INT-150 I owned the Pass X150.5 amp and X2.5 linestage. This combo was very dynamic and alive compared to the INT-150. The INT-150 was supposed to be the X150.5 with it's own preamp built-in, more or less. The INT-150 was somehow lacking and the only thing I could attribute it to was it's passive buffered preamp section.
Very helpful (honest) Abe :)
I know I will be buying either the Thiel CS 2.4SE or CS 2.7 speakers and looking to build the gear around them. At present, have not made a commitment toward SS or tubed electronics.
I am stoked about Conrad Johnson releasing a new SS power amp, loved the older Premier 350 SS amp. Love that CJ sound.
Jeff Rowland is on my short-list to demo, separates only.
Krell is on my short-list to demo, intrigued by the newest 550i integrated -super powerful rated-
Any other brand(s) to add to must audition?
The only Conrad Johnson amp I have heard that I thought was really good was an older hybrid, the Evolution 2000. If you find one of those beasts (they are big) then snatch it. Great sounding hybrid!
Seriously, Thiels love good tubes. One of the best sounds I heard was a pair of Thiel CS3.6 (prefer them over the newer CS3.7) with a pair of BAT VK60s bridged to mono and a BAT VK5i preamp. That made music!
We have also tried a KR VA350i and a VAC Renaissance 30/30 MkIII on my friend's Thiel CS3.7 and it was beautiful with both pairings.
SS will only exaccerbate the Thiel's main issue, which is a somewhat hot top end. The only SS I have heard that really worked well was the Charles Hansen designed Theta Dreadnaught MkI. This has no feedback and a very smooth top end and it sounded brilliant (not as good as the BAT setup though).
There's lots of great gear out there so when you find something to your liking be sure to let us all know!
As for CJ, I liked their MF-2250A solid-state amp and the older PF-R preamp. I actually like that preamp more than their 'higher-end' Premier 18LS.
As for Krell, the old KSA-50S is outstanding and I bet some of it's bigger brothers were great too. I didn't like the Krell KAV-2250 at all. It was grainy, sterile, and dry compared to the sweet little KSA-50S.
The only Mark Levinson piece I owned was the ML383 integrated. It looked nice but was rather boring... not very dynamic, kind of cool, and reminded me of that music you hear in elevators. ;-)
Let us know what you end up with. Enjoy!
Will do Abe!
I'm curious how you see those stacking up in this.
I may have mentioned the new Class D monoblocks that Jerry has in his system but they are made by Acoustic Imagery, not Merrill. If I said Merrill, I was mistaken.
They sounded excellent, very quiet background and expansive soundstage, but I didn't have enough time for a close listen. I sat in his listening spot for only a few minutes and on top of that, he has a different set of speakers so the whole setup was foreign to me, compared to his previous setup.
I've been skeptical of Class D amps for several years now as I have yet to own one that compared favorably against the better 'traditional' designs. The latest Hypex Ncore NC12000 modules may be a game changer.
Acoustic Imagery Atsah uses Hypex NC12000:
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/acousticimagery/1.html
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=524893
I was asking about the Merrill's because I am buying a used pair of the monoblocks. They certainly get strong reviews and "word on the street" from current owners, so I thought they were worth a roll. I certainly like the notion of an amp that is not an energy hog (I lean towards the green side).
They will be trying to displace my EAR 890 KT-90 tube amp. Given some of the clear tube lovers that have adopted them, it should be an interesting comparison.
If you get a moment, please post your thoughts on the Merrill's once you've had them in your system for a while. Are you getting the Thor or Veritas monoblocks? Thanks.
Veritas. Sounds like they haven't had a lot of hours of play, so I will need to spend some time with them before I have their full measure, but I will certainly share my experience with them.
Just have to wonder why the current owner dumped them so quickly...
I believe the Merrill Veritas use the Hypex Ncore NC1200 modules, the ones that are getting a lot of attention lately for their superior sonics. Enjoy! And please keep us posted.
Abe -
While I do not have any direct experince with Rogue or Pass, I have embraced int. amps (over separates) for almost 5 years.
I have had full Naim components, Hovland, AR, Levinson, Ayre, Krell as well as some more boutique brands. Since putting in int. amps, I will never go back to separates. Well, maybe not....gotta get the kids through college first...;-)
Cheers,
Ian
Ian,
I've had a only a few integrated amps over the years, driving my Tannoys or Thiel speakers. With my Thiels, which are my main speakers now, I need a fair amount of quality power for them to come alive. The Rogue Cronus Magnum surprised me.
Other integrated amps that I've had, some for the main setup and others for bedroom or family room:
- Pass Labs INT-150
- Jeff Rowland Concentra II
- Cary Xciter 6L6 5wpc
- Peachtree Audio iDecco
- Marantz PM-8003
Very cool.
The highest level of audiophile satisfaction that I have experinced comes from my current (modest) system in my basement. I wanted it to be simple and easy as my kids (now age 17 and 20) are down there a lot.
LFD Zero mkIII int amp (soon to be upgraded to mk IV)
Harbeth C-7ES3s (may be "upgraded" to Monitor 30.1s)
Rel Strata III sub (have had it for almost 10 years)
Oppo 83-SE (needed a DVD/Blu Ray player as well.
My current search is for a DAC with a remote volume control.
Finalists include:
Wadia 121
Bel Canto DAC 2.5 or 3.
Will upgrade the digital side before anything else.
...I also have an Oppo 83 SE and replaced it earlier this year with a Mac Mini and Grace Design M903 DAC combination.
The Mini/M903 absolutely wipes the floor with the Oppo 83. Not even close.
The Grace DAC is a beautiful sounding/built piece with lots of features (including optional remote - though I just use my Harmony remote). Only thing the Grace lacks is DSD support.
System Details
Abe -
are you using the outriggers on those Thiel speakers?
No, I don't have the Outriggers, just the large brass spikes. Do the Outriggers make much difference?
Right On!
yes, the Thiel speakers are like Vandersteen speakers, in that, they must not sit against the flooring surface. Brass spikes or outriggers will elevate the speaker to truly isolate the bass -response (better the bass response).
Now, go play some good music on your 2.4's.
well I have been using integrateds for quite some time now and two of them are better than most separates I know of.
First was the KR Audio VA350i...an amazingly good sounding machine
Then came the Einstein "The Absolute Tune" , which was very good but wasn't really in the same league with the KR
Now, I have the NAT Symbiosis SE and after a rather lengthy warmup is quite the stunner. A single ended hybrid (with transistor out so the opposite of the KR) that is integrated (at a back breaking 135 pounds!) and 100 watts Class A. The sound is nearly perfect and on the same elevated plane as the KR.
I had for a while a VAC 30/30, which if you have tried it I would definitely recommend it, but not wanting to spend the dough on an equally great preamp meant that it couldn't keep up with the NAT.
There are other amps out there that I would try, but a great integrated is probably better than most amp/preamp combos costing at least double (meaning you have to be equally heavily invested in the preamp).
Wow! That NAT Symbiosis SE is one heavy duty integrated. I just read some specs on it. At 22-inches deep and nearly a foot tall, it's rather large. Bet it sounds nice being all Class A.
I couldn't find any reviews or pricing on it.
Well, there don't seem to be any reviews of it, at least none that I could find...I bought it anyway based solely on how it was designed. I figured it really couldn't sound bad and had the potential to be world class. Fortunately, it was the latter. I also looked at what was done by Blue Circle Audio (the first company that seems to have made a single ended hybrid...at least with a transistor output) and by the Greek company Ypsilon (whose SE(T) hybrid is MEGA expensive and massive), which were hailed by the dagogo site leader Constantine Soo.
I figured that the NATs massive power supply, simple circuit (only three active elements), class A operation, no feedback and full regulation SHOULD result in good sound unless they really screwed something up.
The retail price for the NAT in Europe was 11,500 euro. I don't know if they sold it in the US at all but the prices for NAT in general are a lot higher in the US than in Europe.
Wow ... that's a lot indeed
1F per channel ...
Kind regards,
bg
Umm, no my amp does not have 1F of capacitance. I believe it has 100000 uF though and based on my quick count of the caps inside that is about right.
Hello ! yes i guess is a little mistake
But i notice that they remark the high capacitance as a strong point
And i agree completely
Everything looks positively oversized
And i am sure about the sound quality too.
Thanks a lot
Kind regards,
bg
I find even more interesting that they are using 4 chokes for additional filtering of the power and all stages are fully regulated...very rare in amplifiers.
Beautiful pics! Abe.
I concur, Rogue Audio is one of many smaller companies that are giant killers! Now, go play some good music...
Enough already. IMHO the Rogue gear, like the Primaluna gear, is kit that is quite fine and has been hyped by over the top advertising. It sounds rather solid state and does not compete with the, marginally more expensive, and also made in the USA, Quicksilver amps and preamp or the half the price Bottlehead Stereomour. The exception being if the speakers used require gobs of power. But QS and Bottlehead don't advertise and therein lies the tale.
Edits: 12/07/13
I agree, the rogue is a totally hyped product with lousy build quality.
Many say the same about Audio Research.
Audio research is at least well built.
Is it? What makes you say that?
...but for a reasonable price rogue tube gear sounds fantastic! meanwhile i even sold my octave RE280 Mk II and welter ACPP60 monos also and stick with my ATLAS magnum... (not many US made products we are keen on here in europe but rogue rocks!)N.
The times, they are changing...
Edits: 09/02/14
hyped over the top……..paleaaaase, do you even know anything about Rogue ? I can tell by your response you certainly don't know Mark Obrien or for that matter anything about his excellent products.Yes, I'm a happy Rogue owner (M-180 mono blocks) that knows full well how they perform beyond their price point
Edits: 12/28/13
According to their site, the Stereomour outputs 3.5 watts per channel. Can it fill a large (500 sq. ft.) living room?
Maybe using 4 ohm speakers?
He's comparing apples to oranges and has concluded that apples are no good. ;-)
...total d*ck, massive d*uche and small-minded tool.
Congrats...just wanted to let you know how successful your posts are and that you totally achieved the goal of taking Abe's thoughtful posts and turning it into something about your ego and feelings of in-adequateness.
We all know that dudes like you exist everywhere and you really should be just ignored and left to stew in your own bitterness.
Keep it coming, Abe! Have learned a ton from you over the years.
I find Viridian's posts to be typically well-informed, to the point, and often sharply humorous. As a bonus, they're also free from adolescent name-calling.
I've owned LOTS of gear over the years, tube and solid-state. Some of it total crap, some pretty good, and others that stand out regardless of price. The Cronus Magnum is the real deal. There are other Rogue products that are mediocre at best and I've slammed them, in case you weren't aware.
I'm curious, which Rogue amps have you compared to which Quicksilver and Bottlehead amps?
And yes, I have read your slams, or is it SLAMS, of the hybrid Rogue amps.To answer your question, I had a Titan Magnum here for three weeks and compared it to the Quicksilver Mini Monos and the Stereomour as well as to some vintage amps, a reworked ST-70 and an Acrosound Stereo 20-20.
Now answer a question for me. Does having purchased a piece of gear - any piece of gear - have a bearing on one's perception of that piece of gear?
Edits: 12/07/13
...maybe you'll realize what an ass you appear to be. Good night.
nt
I own the Cronus Magnum and consider it a great value and fine sounding. It's a tremendous bargain when you consider a integrated with phono stage, a headphone amp and 100wpc to boot. I don't see anything comparable at the Quicksilver site. Is it perfect? No. I've listed my gripes in another post. And while I am Smitten with the Cronus I am not interested the other Rogue gear. If I had 5 grand to spend it would be on ARC or BAT. Rogue's latest tube D stuff is ugly and a train wreck of technology. I see a lot of it listed on Audiogon already which is not a good sign.
I don't see 'a lot of it' on agon, I rarely see it on agon.
And this 'people are selling it, it must be bad' theory is just not true.
When a company sells a lot of something that means more people will sell it. There's a lot of LS50's on the gon, doesn't mean they are bad. Means KEF has sold a BOATLOAD of those speakers.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
I recently purchased my Cronus off Audiogon and during the search I saw a higher percentage of the Rogue hybrid units being offered for sale. As for the LS50 it's getting some great press and dealers are listing them near msrp to take advantage. I have not heard them but the driver technology seems similar to that in the KEF Q series which can be purchased for much less and with better bass response.
But you know what's better.
Funny.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
I'm waiting until Accessories 4 Less starts selling them for half the current cost.
Trout -
the Rogue is a better buy over any ARC integrated.
'hyped by over the top advertising'?
You funny guy.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
I will point you to the two Rogue ads on pages 44 and 80. To quote, "Introducing the revolutionary new Pharoh." "It's good to be King!"
You uninformed guy, as always........
Does 'over the top advertising' automatically disqualify a product from being good?
And why are you so full of hateful venom tonight?
and of course, advertising certainly does not discredit any product, though IMHO, it may be distasteful in and of itself.I think that you are simply not comfortable with someone that has a different viewpoint, hence the ad hominem comment. Grow up and address the issue.
Edits: 12/07/13
...but I'm not going to waste my time with someone who cannot engage in civil conversation. Bye bye.
nt
thoughtless manners, anyone?
roger wang.
The Portal Panache compared to the Cronus.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
but am going to do the Magnum upgrade in the Spring and move it into my #1 system. It put the 222c that I was using on the shelf.
I might be mistaken but I think the Rogue Cronus Magnum is perhaps the single best buy in high fi.
"The problem with quotes from the internet is that many of them just are just made up."
-Abraham Lincoln
Likewise, my Ayre AX-7e captures most , but not all, of the performance of much more expensive separates.While I have heard better (I'd love, for example, to upgrade to the Ayre AX-5), I'm plenty happy now and really enjoy my system. Good thing, 'cause I can't afford to upgrade at the moment!
But ... the V-5xe and K-5xeMP are a step up without the 5-10x multiplier. It's what I have to drive the speakers I have which are pigs for current.I have heard the AX-7e drive the Magnepan 1.7's very convincingly, by the by.
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Edits: 12/07/13
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