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In Reply to: What if I'm using a 'Balanced Power Supply'? posted by Cousin Billy on October 1, 2014 at 08:18:51:
One thing about balanced power- equipment is not designed for it. Here is an example:
If you are to meet UL or EU directives (CE mark), the fuse has to be able to blow to protect the user. The tricky area is what if the power switch, which is mounted to the chassis, gets shorted to the chassis and allows it to become 'hot'? The fuse will blow, because it is in series with the chassis. Now the same thing is true of balanced power.
But what if something happens such that the other side of the line shorts to the chassis? What then? There is no fuse for that. As best I can make out, in this situation there will be 60VRMS on the chassis- IOW it will be 'live', as in a balanced situation there is no 'hot' and 'cold'; both side are 'hot'.
As long as everything is working, balanced power offers lower noise if you have bugs in your equipment's grounding scheme. This is because if there is a grounding bug, there will be current in the ground connection. This can cause ground loops and in a really bad situation even damage something. Balanced power offers a solution for this. But ideally, there will be no appreciable current in the ground, because in a properly grounded audio system, the circuit ground floats at chassis potential, but they are not the same circuit- IOW its bad design practice to use the chassis for a ground!
A lot of audio manufacturers have not sorted this out, and it does not matter what field (pro audio, broadcast, high end audio) they are operating in. For this reason you will see some pretty respected names extolling the virtues of balanced power.
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Topic - fuses - throwback 11:10:49 09/25/14 ( 44)
- How 'bout a different approach? - Bill Way 18:36:44 10/2/14 ( 1)
- RE: How 'bout a different approach? - Awe-d-o-file 16:27:25 10/3/14 ( 0)
Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - Lew 11:57:35 09/25/14 ( 41)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - Brian Levy 10:02:38 09/28/14 ( 40)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - throwback 16:34:49 09/29/14 ( 36)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - roio 11:02:52 10/1/14 ( 0)
- I think Billy is on to something. - Ralph 09:17:37 09/30/14 ( 0)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - Lew 19:05:49 09/29/14 ( 33)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - roio 03:08:50 10/2/14 ( 22)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - throwback 07:03:44 10/2/14 ( 21)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - roio 07:31:05 10/2/14 ( 20)
- Hold it!!! - Lew 10:35:05 10/2/14 ( 19)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 10:57:33 10/2/14 ( 18)
- RE: Hold it!!! - Lew 12:11:41 10/2/14 ( 17)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 14:20:34 10/2/14 ( 15)
- RE: Hold it!!! - Banat 06:29:28 10/3/14 ( 1)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 06:33:30 10/3/14 ( 0)
- RE: Hold it!!! - cpotl 16:54:33 10/2/14 ( 12)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 02:22:58 10/3/14 ( 11)
- RE: Hold it!!! - cpotl 05:50:16 10/3/14 ( 10)
- RE: Hold it!!! - Lew 07:28:31 10/3/14 ( 2)
- RE: Hold it!!! - throwback 11:07:14 10/3/14 ( 1)
- Case in point that you already know about... - Lew 13:56:44 10/3/14 ( 0)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 06:30:50 10/3/14 ( 6)
- RE: Hold it!!! - cpotl 06:55:31 10/3/14 ( 5)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 07:55:25 10/3/14 ( 4)
- RE: Hold it!!! - cpotl 21:14:27 10/3/14 ( 3)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 03:33:14 10/4/14 ( 2)
- RE: Hold it!!! - cpotl 05:29:27 10/4/14 ( 1)
- RE: Hold it!!! - roio 06:04:45 10/4/14 ( 0)
- RE: Hold it!!! - throwback 12:16:32 10/2/14 ( 0)
RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - roio 10:31:54 10/1/14 ( 0)
I need a quick 'electrical' education - Cousin Billy 04:34:14 09/30/14 ( 8)
- RE: I need a quick 'electrical' education - cpotl 07:06:05 09/30/14 ( 0)
RE: I need a quick 'electrical' education - throwback 06:02:04 09/30/14 ( 6)
- Excellent response' - Cousin Billy 07:28:27 09/30/14 ( 5)
- Depends upon the topology of the component - Lew 08:25:53 09/30/14 ( 4)
- What if I'm using a 'Balanced Power Supply'? - Cousin Billy 08:18:51 10/1/14 ( 3)
- If the ground is truly ground then 'no' - Ralph 10/1/14 09:56:23 10/1/14 ( 1)
- one additional note - Ralph 11:10:42 10/3/14 ( 0)
- RE: What if I'm using a 'Balanced Power Supply'? - Lew 08:33:39 10/1/14 ( 0)
RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - airheadair 14:45:57 09/28/14 ( 2)
- RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? - Blackdog 20:29:38 09/28/14 ( 1)
- Acme - Lew 11:56:16 09/29/14 ( 0)