"But whether the style of a contemporary composer is easy or hard to comprehend, it would be wise for the lay listener to keep the composer's objective well in mind."Copland 1949
I'd recommend the above CD to anyone interested in investigating Copland's own flirtation with the broader elements of Modernism. (Apart from the piano concerto.) Couldn't believe how much I enjoyed it.
His Inscape and Connotations incorporate dreaded Serialism but I find them riveting works as well.
Context and caveats understood.
Edits: 05/08/16
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Topic - A friendly and charming defense of "Modernism" by a friendly and charming composer - jdaniel@jps.net 11:16:43 05/08/16 (76)
- Perhaps I am missing something obvious, but - semuta 18:25:18 05/09/16 (24)
- RE: something obvious? - genungo 08:31:55 05/10/16 (10)
- Excellent! Yeah, I'm pretty sure if a composer could put into words what the objective is... - musetap 09:57:40 05/10/16 (7)
- I think we're straying into the metaphysical. Babbit, Debussy and Tchaikovky shared one objective at least: - jdaniel@jps.net 10:39:30 05/10/16 (6)
- Flexing the wrong muscles perhaps? - genungo 14:15:07 05/10/16 (2)
- All I'll say is that in my humble listening career, there are quite a few pieces which I'm glad I revisited. And you're - jdaniel@jps.net 19:37:08 05/10/16 (1)
- Fun and funner - genungo 06:27:22 05/11/16 (0)
- "why do people never bash the the more esoteric Polyphonists?" - Chris from Lafayette 13:32:35 05/10/16 (2)
- esoteric Polyphonists? WTF? Who are they? What did they do? - oldmkvi 09:11:17 05/13/16 (1)
- Ockeghem, Obrecht, et al - and, no, they didn't do much [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:47:14 05/13/16 (0)
- Motives vs objectives.... - jdaniel@jps.net 09:32:10 05/10/16 (1)
- RE: Motives vs objectives.... - Paul_A 13:43:06 05/10/16 (0)
- Don't you appreciate baseball more because you know the players have to get the ball over the goal line before the clock - jdaniel@jps.net 19:30:24 05/09/16 (12)
- RE: Don't you appreciate baseball more because you know the players have to get the ball over the goal line before the c - semuta 22:50:18 05/09/16 (1)
- Was talking about objectives from the pov of expectations. One can't be disappointed in composer x because his - jdaniel@jps.net 07:18:50 05/10/16 (0)
- It's not all that clear cut in every case however - Chris from Lafayette 21:48:02 05/09/16 (9)
- Sometimes not knowing a composer's objectives -- in a broad sense-- can lead to dashed expectations . Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:05:02 05/10/16 (8)
- Well, yes - we wouldn't want the heartbreak of dashed expectations! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:03:42 05/10/16 (3)
- One time I waited over 45 minutes for cascading harp arpeggios over a pillow of soft strings in a Babbit piece and - jdaniel@jps.net 09:46:08 05/10/16 (2)
- Well, you see, that's the trouble with Babbit - Chris from Lafayette 00:36:30 05/11/16 (1)
- Exactly! No taste whatsoever. (Now please pass the Baconnaise.) - jdaniel@jps.net 08:20:02 05/11/16 (0)
- RE: -- in a broad sense-- - genungo 08:34:16 05/10/16 (3)
- what I meant was dissappointment. Have been fed John Williams as a suckling, the Romantics & co spoke my - jdaniel@jps.net 09:57:31 05/10/16 (2)
- RE: what I meant was disappointment. - genungo 14:32:40 05/10/16 (0)
- RE: what I meant was dissappointment. Have been fed John Williams as a suckling, the Romantics & co spoke my - rbolaw 11:53:17 05/10/16 (0)
- I'm OK with three of Copland's four contemporary (1946) music categories - Chris from Lafayette 19:17:06 05/08/16 (21)
- RE: I'm OK with three of Copland's four contemporary (1946) music categories - hesson11 15:28:34 05/09/16 (0)
- Well that's a relief! - jdaniel@jps.net 23:35:16 05/08/16 (19)
- Can't beat that, but ... - rbolaw 06:31:37 05/09/16 (17)
- Same here, but.... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:32:09 05/09/16 (16)
- Oh, and I also met Arthur Nikisch in Macy's once. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:33:54 05/09/16 (15)
- Met and shook hands with Eddy Merckx at the Long Beach Bike Show back in the 80's... - Ivan303 08:05:39 05/09/16 (4)
- Rubbed shoulders with Greg Lemond back in the early '90s... - genungo 11:34:43 05/09/16 (1)
- Ran into him a couple times when he was racing as an amateur..... - Ivan303 13:50:24 05/09/16 (0)
- RE: Met and shook hands with Eddy Merckx at the Long Beach Bike Show back in the 80's... - rbolaw 11:14:09 05/09/16 (1)
- RE: "Pou-Pou!" - genungo 16:22:42 05/09/16 (0)
- Was that after your meeting with Sol Hurok? - rbolaw 07:53:34 05/09/16 (9)
- OK! Excellent! Game on! - Chris from Lafayette 09:52:38 05/09/16 (8)
- My ex-brother-in-law was Christopher Cross. - jimbill 17:53:58 05/09/16 (3)
- Bow accepted - jimbill 21:32:41 05/12/16 (1)
- You forgot to have him kiss the ring. (nt) - D Harvey 06:21:01 05/16/16 (0)
- I bow to you, sir! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:02:41 05/12/16 (0)
- Game on? - rbolaw 11:34:13 05/09/16 (1)
- Oops! Sorry about the placement of my reply - Chris from Lafayette 21:37:01 05/09/16 (0)
- Not a word about the spanking sessions with Wanda Wilcomirska? - jdaniel@jps.net 10:23:55 05/09/16 (1)
- Fortunately, that didn't happen TOO often - only when I was a very BAD boy! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:39:58 05/11/16 (0)
- What is this? A contest? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 23:53:40 05/08/16 (0)
- You put it well, as does he. - rbolaw 12:29:02 05/08/16 (28)
- Hmm. . . your post gets me to thinking (always dangerous!). . . - Chris from Lafayette 23:52:10 05/08/16 (27)
- You've become a Two-Trick Pony- - oldmkvi 08:24:18 05/09/16 (2)
- BTW, you forgot some of my other tricks: Shostakovich, Eurotrash, Isaac Stern, Barenboim. . . [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:59:30 05/10/16 (0)
- Hey, man, it's all good! - Chris from Lafayette 09:44:23 05/09/16 (0)
- RE: Hmm. . . your post gets me to thinking (always dangerous!). . . - rbolaw 07:45:54 05/09/16 (23)
- We're talking at cross purposes here - Chris from Lafayette 08:38:57 05/09/16 (22)
- RE: We're talking at cross purposes here - learsfool 19:34:05 05/09/16 (21)
- OK - but I don't agree on either point - Chris from Lafayette 22:31:22 05/09/16 (20)
- RE: OK - but I don't agree on either point - learsfool 19:39:47 05/10/16 (3)
- The problem is not the dissonance - it's the whole approach and limitations of serialism - Chris from Lafayette 23:37:40 05/10/16 (2)
- As noted musicologist John McEnroe would say, - rbolaw 08:06:43 05/11/16 (1)
- I AM serious: it's hard to believe, but that was the plot of the movie! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:16:58 05/11/16 (0)
- WTF? Since when is not writing "easy listening" music a defect? - Rick W 13:58:08 05/10/16 (14)
- OK - Time for me to define my terms again - Chris from Lafayette 00:19:54 05/11/16 (1)
- Aha! Now I understand where you're comin' from. - Rick W 08:33:46 05/11/16 (0)
- Right on. And as good a definition of "easy listening" as any - - rbolaw 15:35:59 05/10/16 (11)
- Yeah - well, that's not what I mean by "easy listening" - See above - Chris from Lafayette 00:33:01 05/11/16 (10)
- Now, that's just nuts. - rbolaw 12:50:56 05/11/16 (9)
- I think you're grasping - Chris from Lafayette 22:22:06 05/11/16 (8)
- I'm not grasping -- you're wringing. ;-) - rbolaw 07:51:52 05/12/16 (7)
- That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:10 05/12/16 (6)
- RE: That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - learsfool 18:12:12 05/12/16 (0)
- "A temporary dip" - rbolaw 10:56:58 05/12/16 (3)
- What got cut out of my attempted edit - Chris from Lafayette 16:52:39 05/12/16 (2)
- Oh man, I am so done with this thread. That's just nasty. nt - rbolaw 18:24:02 05/12/16 (1)
- But I've got more! - Chris from Lafayette 23:16:46 05/12/16 (0)
- Our server chokes again with diacritical marks - click on the date of my post just above {nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:06:35 05/12/16 (0)
- Nor I with yours - rbolaw 09:11:23 05/10/16 (0)