In Reply to: hmm posted by Penguin on January 23, 2015 at 17:33:19:
That's a very interesting question and one I've asked myself many times. I tend to think that a 20th century Mozart would have wasted his genius as Schoenberg did. Genius never exists apart from culture, and the culture of the early 20th century wasn't conducive to writing great music. The modernist idiom was too limiting, consisting as it does essentially of a thoughtless rejectionism that reduces ultimately to the freedom to do anything that hasn't been shown to work. Which, unfortunately, omits everything that has been shown to! Since music isn't arbitrary, but is heavily constrained by physics, mathematics, and human perception and psychology, the freedom to screech, moan, and wail wasn't freedom at all.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - jdaniel@jps.net 11:29:16 01/18/15 (76)
- Profound? - Mike Porper 14:06:27 01/22/15 (0)
- Instructions For You - Mike Porper 14:00:56 01/22/15 (1)
- : ) Will do. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:02:56 01/22/15 (0)
- This is one of the downsides we have to easy access - TGR 16:22:16 01/21/15 (3)
- I was there for MTT's Mahler 2nd, 7th and 8th as well as RCA's recording of Stravinsky's Rite - jdaniel@jps.net 23:45:32 01/21/15 (2)
- MTT Mahler live - TGR 08:17:42 01/22/15 (1)
- We're you there the night the poor "posthorn" soloist (M7) flubbed so many notes?? - jdaniel@jps.net 19:07:26 01/22/15 (0)
- I've always found the back end of the 2nd to be a hard slog. - Daverz 19:23:06 01/19/15 (1)
- Used to be my favorite part: the ffffff gong-thwack heralds it in, then the opening of the graves.... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:21:10 01/20/15 (0)
- The nice thing about aging is wait a few years and it'll be fresh, all over again! nt - tinear 09:09:36 01/19/15 (2)
- Well, in the meantime, I suppose I could listen to Naxos' 27 Volumes of the Dittersdorf Recorder Concerti. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:13:30 01/19/15 (0)
- Or you'll be dead and won't give a &$%# [nt] - Amphissa 10:58:39 01/19/15 (0)
- RE: Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - rbolaw 08:50:19 01/19/15 (0)
- RE: Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - Logan 20:38:32 01/18/15 (1)
- The 7th is a favorite of mine as well. Very glad I enjoyed it before reading that I should have. - jdaniel@jps.net 20:53:54 01/18/15 (0)
- IMO, Mahler's Best Symphony Was..... - Todd Krieger 18:07:52 01/18/15 (5)
- Thank. - kavakidd 23:54:01 01/18/15 (0)
- Interesting, before hearing Kubelik's '79, I always likened Mahler's first symphony to the 1812 Overture. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:59:18 01/18/15 (1)
- That's been my reaction too. - Paul_A 08:47:23 01/19/15 (0)
- RE: IMO, Mahler's Best Symphony Was..... - josh358 19:02:56 01/18/15 (1)
- Me - kavakidd 23:54:39 01/18/15 (0)
- Although I like the 2nd. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:12:55 01/18/15 (2)
- You don't get it. There are indeed finer things in life, but tiring of the Mahler 2nd is like tiring of... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:49:55 01/18/15 (1)
- RE: You don't get it. There are indeed finer things in life, but tiring of the Mahler 2nd is like tiring of... - Analog Scott 22:06:22 01/18/15 (0)
- Sad? I'm tired of Mozart. Look on the bright side. - andy evans 15:51:53 01/18/15 (30)
- I don't get Mozart yet, so maybe there's hope. (Though I'm transfixed by Karajan's mono Cosi - jdaniel@jps.net 19:51:07 01/18/15 (10)
- RE: I don't get Mozart yet, so maybe there's hope. (Though I'm transfixed by Karajan's mono Cosi - josh358 09:16:16 01/19/15 (9)
- You mean like becoming a connoisseur of Pont l’Eveque? - Penguin 18:40:32 01/19/15 (8)
- RE: You mean like becoming a connoisseur of Pont l’Eveque? - josh358 19:17:53 01/19/15 (7)
- ah there lies the issue - Penguin 20:53:35 01/20/15 (6)
- RE: ah there lies the issue - josh358 05:50:45 01/21/15 (5)
- Uh. . . comparing Mozart's manuscripts with Beethoven's. . . - Chris from Lafayette 21:31:53 01/21/15 (4)
- RE: Uh. . . comparing Mozart's manuscripts with Beethoven's. . . - josh358 08:46:03 01/22/15 (2)
- Didn't Constanze receive notification. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:47:12 01/22/15 (1)
- RE: Didn't Constanze receive notification. . . - josh358 13:07:07 01/22/15 (0)
- You see? - Penguin 07:06:29 01/22/15 (0)
- RE: Sad? I'm tired of Mozart. Look on the bright side. - josh358 19:02:12 01/18/15 (18)
- No it does not - Penguin 20:50:30 01/18/15 (17)
- RE: No it does not - josh358 19:20:30 01/19/15 (16)
- Thats what does it :) - Penguin 20:55:13 01/20/15 (15)
- I just can't take the endless resolutions to the tonic - andy evans 06:32:17 01/21/15 (1)
- Thanks - Penguin 21:15:35 01/21/15 (0)
- RE: Thats what does it :) - josh358 05:57:30 01/21/15 (12)
- Interesting analogy - Penguin 10:22:37 01/21/15 (11)
- RE: Interesting analogy - josh358 17:24:43 01/21/15 (10)
- That is cool - Penguin 21:12:03 01/21/15 (9)
- RE: That is cool - josh358 08:29:08 01/22/15 (8)
- Never had issues with complex music - Penguin 20:07:02 01/22/15 (7)
- RE: Never had issues with complex music - josh358 07:56:09 01/23/15 (6)
- Well, as they said in "Vertigo", "Mozart's the boy for you!" - Chris from Lafayette 16:04:23 01/25/15 (1)
- RE: Well, as they said in "Vertigo", "Mozart's the boy for you!" - josh358 19:13:07 01/25/15 (0)
- hmm - Penguin 17:33:19 01/23/15 (3)
- RE: Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - fantja 15:35:44 01/18/15 (0)
- Sorry you discovered Mahler way too early.. - Ivan303 15:24:24 01/18/15 (1)
- Discovered Mahler's 2nd in College; my first taste. Solti's CSO lp set marked down to $6.99 at Wherehouse. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:52:35 01/18/15 (0)
- RE: Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - John N 14:40:05 01/18/15 (1)
- Do you know Adler's? Picked it up on Harmonia Mundi and was blown away~ - jdaniel@jps.net 19:55:30 01/18/15 (0)
- RE: Came to a profoundly sad realization this morning.... - Amphissa 12:54:33 01/18/15 (13)
- And here I am just starting and transfixed by the 4th - Sibelius 14:21:47 01/18/15 (2)
- Always loved the exquisite climax of the 3rd mov't and only now getting into the other mov'ts listening to - jdaniel@jps.net 20:04:00 01/18/15 (0)
- RE: And here I am just starting and transfixed by the 4th - goldenthal 15:33:07 01/18/15 (0)
- An extremely important early milestone in Mahler's personal development - John Marks 13:06:59 01/18/15 (9)
- That's a big find! I wonder if there are any bootleg lp's of this! nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:58:28 01/18/15 (1)
- Anything is possible, but... I think that very unlikely - John Marks 07:08:02 01/19/15 (0)
- RE: An extremely important early milestone in Mahler's personal development - goldenthal 15:36:35 01/18/15 (4)
- I think that given the circumstances (live radio from a summer but indoor festival) it's suprisingly good - John Marks 15:44:49 01/18/15 (3)
- RE: I think that given the circumstances (live radio from a summer but indoor festival) it's suprisingly good - goldenthal 15:53:48 01/18/15 (2)
- DUUH! Sorry I forgot to mention, but these should be no surprise - John Marks 17:51:11 01/18/15 (1)
- RE: DUUH! Sorry I forgot to mention, but these should be no surprise - goldenthal 13:58:58 01/19/15 (0)
- RE: An extremely important early milestone in Mahler's personal development - Amphissa 14:16:11 01/18/15 (1)
- Just as Wagner's writing music was the continuation of political revolution by other means... - John Marks 14:21:15 01/18/15 (0)
- Stay away for a year and then try again. nt - John Marks 11:39:43 01/18/15 (1)
- He should shoot for two: the first is easy, the Second, well...N/T - musetap 11:28:32 01/19/15 (0)
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- RE: hmm - josh358 19:26:18 01/25/15 (0)