Tragic that folks have been brainwashed by the group-think forces of the academe!

The HIPsters say stuff like: "Let's present a performance of the music as the composer would have known it! My response is, how arrogant and self-serving!

One Baroque composer I know of (Francesco Geminiani), who in his time was considered a "musical god" (according to BBC's Radio 3) and the equal of Corelli and Handel, wrote: "Vibrato is indispensable in violin playing." Paul Henry Lang used to quote this many times. In addition, another composer, Ludovico Zacconi (who flourished earlier - in the 1600's), said that vibrato "ought always to be used".

But today's academicians in university music departments prefer to ignore this evidence. And now the whole "vibrato bad!" HIP industry, which preys on the inexperience of many of its listeners, has been spreading like a contagion for decades.

If folks here are interested in further, detailed study of this issue (and I mean getting somewhat down in the weeds!), this linked overview by our friend David Hurwitz from Classics Today would be a much better starting point than the "scholarese" tripe one usually finds about the subject in JAMS (Journal of the American Musicological Society - which represents the "party line" orthodoxy of most American and Western European entrenched academics) and the like. Dave's study deals with the later eighteenth-century, rather than the earlier eighteenth-century, but his principles and reasoning are sound IMHO.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100107050941/http://www.classi (Open in New Window)

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Topic - Boyce - svisner 07:12:37 09/19/20 (24)

RE: Boyce - Mel 10:10:23 09/24/20 (0)

RE: Boyce - fstein 13:56:21 09/19/20 (0)

Great Works - I defy anyone to listen to them and tell me they're not as good as Handel's music ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:44:10 09/19/20 (21)

If a time machine is invented, don't visit the Baroque period. - tinear 10:19:59 09/20/20 (13)

No time machine needed. Most modern HIP groups I like didn't get the "straight-tone" message. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 18:38:50 09/20/20 (9)

I don't know what world you're living in - it sure ain't the real world [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:00:51 09/20/20 (8)

Because...the last time you listened to 20+ HIP groups on a weekly basis was... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:04:14 09/21/20 (1)

There's certainly way better stuff to listen to, if that's what you mean - Chris from Lafayette 10:24:28 09/21/20 (0)

RE: I don't know what world you're living in - it sure ain't the real world [nt] ;-) - rivervalley817 19:17:34 09/20/20 (5)

Consensus from whom. . . about what? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:32:31 09/20/20 (4)

RE: Consensus from whom. . . about what? [nt] ;-) - rivervalley817 19:51:45 09/20/20 (3)

Ah! OK! (But from whom?) [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 20:39:54 09/20/20 (2)

RE: Ah! OK! (But from whom?) [nt] - rivervalley817 21:36:12 09/20/20 (1)

I'll gladly confess to being obtuse sometimes! - Chris from Lafayette 00:52:10 09/21/20 (0)

Tragic that folks have been brainwashed by the group-think forces of the academe! - Chris from Lafayette 11:50:14 09/20/20 (2)

Yes, there's a deep state in early music! nt - tinear 18:01:47 09/20/20 (1)

Very close! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:01:33 09/20/20 (0)

RE: Great Works - I defy anyone to listen to them and tell me they're not as good as Handel's music ;-) - svisner 10:05:13 09/19/20 (6)

I had in mind Handel's concerti grossi and opera overtures - Chris from Lafayette 12:30:24 09/19/20 (5)

RE: I had in mind Handel's concerti grossi and opera overtures - svisner 17:38:38 09/19/20 (4)

Yes - I think I would too! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 18:07:54 09/19/20 (3)

Can't find it on QOBUZ... - Ivan303 11:51:26 09/20/20 (2)

OK - thanks for taking a look! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:56:04 09/20/20 (1)

Sounded pretty good... - Ivan303 15:56:39 09/20/20 (0)

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Tragic that folks have been brainwashed by the group-think forces of the academe! - Chris from Lafayette 11:50:14 09/20/20 (2)

Yes, there's a deep state in early music! nt - tinear 18:01:47 09/20/20 (1)

Very close! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:01:33 09/20/20 (0)

Tragic that folks have been brainwashed by the group-think forces of the academe!

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