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In Reply to: Pull your head out posted by mt10425 on April 27, 2015 at 17:56:26:
Nothing progresses without idealism.Indeed and according to some research the older people get the more conservative they tend to get. When you have nothing you can risk everything you have. When you have a lot you don't want to risk losing it.
I worked (past tense for E-Stat) at McDonalds for 3 years, in Accounting for 8 years and now teaching.
My view of this is that all jobs in a given city.country needs to be done. We need the street cleaned, the streets protected, the fires put out, the server to bring me my dinner at a nice restaurant, the person to clean the office place of work, taxi drivers, bus drivers, etc.
The job market is cone shaped with the largest amount of jobs at the bottom of the cone and the best paid jobs at the top narrow end.
People put in typical 35-50 hour work weeks (more at the bottom end of the spectrum). Here is the idealism - which is pretty pathetic - that everyone putting in that work week ought be able to LIVE on the amount of money they get paid.
But what you have is the largest demographic not even being able to remotely live on the salary while at the other end you have someone who can buy thirty 3,000 square foot homes, two private Jets, a baseball team, feed their cats Lobster from an on staff Michelin star chef (who only cooks for the cat), a castle complete with moat (head of Papa John's pizza who whines about paying $20 a year extra for medical for employees), a fleet of Bentley's, private Lady Gaga concerts for the kid, etc etc.
And then some ass will say well they bettered themselves or work harder. I can tell you working at a busy McDonalds location is HARDER actual work than any desk job unless the desk is in Iraq.
So in fact hard work arguments don't fly. Let's see Donald Trump last 3 weeks picking blackberries in the bush for $1 a day.
I'm not saying everyone should get paid the same - hardly - society can;t progress without a desire to better yourself through eduction etc which in turn should warrant more reward - a higher salary - but one should not work 40 hour weeks and still be destitute.
The reason min wage even exists is because the owners of all companies who pay min wage - would peer to just bring back slavery and not pay them anything. What you expect money to "better yourself."
In the US you have mini-dictatorships. Sure you can vote between two parties but every boss in an at will state is a dictator. They can fire you because your gay, black, female, a smoker etc and come up with a nicer sounding excuse to can you. They can even drug test you and if your girlfriend happens to be a dominatrix you're gone.
But people are dumb enough to think that one day they too will get the chance to be a mini-dictator rather than fixing their current station in life. On the silly dream that one day they too will be a billionaire one day.
When determining if min wage needs to be something you can actually LIVE on or weather Slavery is bad you simply apply the Philosophical tool called the "Veil of Ignorance."
"Imagine that you have set for yourself the task of developing a totally new social contract for today's society. How could you do so fairly? Although you could never actually eliminate all of your personal biases and prejudices, you would need to take steps at least to minimize them. Rawls suggests that you imagine yourself in an original position behind a veil of ignorance. Behind this veil, you know nothing of yourself and your natural abilities, or your position in society. You know nothing of your sex, race, nationality, or individual tastes. Behind such a veil of ignorance all individuals are simply specified as rational, free, and morally equal beings. You do know that in the "real world", however, there will be a wide variety in the natural distribution of natural assets and abilities, and that there will be differences of sex, race, and culture that will distinguish groups of people from each other."[2]Such a concept can have grand effects if it were to be practiced both in the present and in the past. Referring again to the example of slavery, if the slave-owners were forced through the veil of ignorance to imagine that they themselves may be slaves then suddenly the practice does not seem to be justifiable. Perhaps the entire practice would have been abolished without the need for a war to settle things. A grander example would be if each individual in society were to base their practices off the fact that they could be the least advantaged member of society. In this scenario, freedom and equality could possibly coexist in a way that has been the ideal of many philosophers.
For example, in the imaginary society, one might or might not be intelligent, rich, or born into a preferred class. Since one may occupy any position in the society once the veil is lifted, the device forces the parties to consider society from the perspective of all members, including the worst-off and best-off members."
Under this philosophy and behind the veil - you are not a boy born into upper class White family home with parents who had a million bucks in the bank - instead you're a girl born into an impoverished African American Family living in a violent drug addled ghetto where the father is in jail the mother is working 16 hour days and where walking through metal detectors at school is the norm. Not to mention being shot by cops if you look at them funny.And I am coming from the white guy position from good parents and I make good money. So I got mine - but not everyone had it as good as me - or come from a country with the social safety networks to provide me the opportunity. Not everyone has that - they go to work they work hard - they should be able to support themselves on their paycheque.
Would prices got to 250% - doubtful - because America is a competitive market after all and so if McDonald's raised their prices 250% and Burger King keeps prices the same Burger King's sales would increase 3 fold and they'd be making more money than ever.
With a better salary they would not have as high a turnover (which is expensive) - they can hire better people who will take the job more seriously will perform better offer better service and get more customers who aren't worried about the dregs who spit in the food.
Edits: 04/30/15
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