In Reply to: Scientific, observational testing is not belief posted by Sordidman on January 22, 2015 at 11:29:50:
...you state: People with experience have (relative) concensus. [that cables make a significant audible difference]. That statement ignores the people with experience that arrive at the opposite concensus. You seem to be implying that the only valid experience is the "positive" one. Why should this be so?
You also state "Objectively, the differences in different cables are beyond obvious & are not worth discussing. There is no way that a Nordost Valhalla cable is the same as a River cable: even though both are relatively flat." So the objective differences aren't obvious and aren't worth discussing and yet there MUST be differences between the cables in your example. Why must this be so?
I think cables make a difference in your world because you want them to....not that there's anything wrong with that.
Overall, pretty unconvincing.
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Follow Ups
- Same tired arguments... - Steve O 12:55:20 01/22/15 (49)
- trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. - Sordidman 13:36:35 01/22/15 (9)
- RE: trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. - Steve O 16:11:18 01/22/15 (8)
- RE: trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. - Sordidman 17:38:39 01/22/15 (7)
- And what about those that have extensive experience and claim cables don't matter? - kuribo 06:11:43 01/23/15 (6)
- RE: And what about those that have extensive experience and claim cables don't matter? - Sordidman 09:23:59 01/23/15 (5)
- Here's a start.... - kuribo 16:13:11 01/23/15 (4)
- I predict... - Steve O 20:21:53 01/23/15 (3)
- See - you DO get it. But it's all irrelevant anyway. - carcass93 09:11:27 01/24/15 (1)
- And you get it too! (nt) - Steve O 10:41:43 01/24/15 (0)
- But of course....nt - kuribo 21:08:00 01/23/15 (0)
- "Same tired arguments"? Does that mean that you consider yours exploring some new terrains? - carcass93 13:06:25 01/22/15 (38)
- Hey, you can believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and that's fine but... - Markw* 13:26:10 01/22/15 (37)
- Convince? "Discerning masses" (that's hilarious, BTW)? No intention whatsoever. N/T - carcass93 13:32:53 01/22/15 (36)
- Perhaps "skeptical" would have been more appropriate? - Markw* 13:45:57 01/22/15 (35)
- Observational application of the scientific method - Sordidman 15:32:02 01/22/15 (34)
- Face it, that's just your way of saying it's an opinion that cannot be proven scientifically? - Markw* 16:34:47 01/22/15 (26)
- No, it's your minority viewpoint of denigrating scientific discovery - Sordidman 16:41:36 01/22/15 (25)
- So, you'r esaying it's a proven fact? - Markw* 16:54:35 01/22/15 (24)
- You know Elvis? You must be a faith guy..... - Sordidman 17:43:58 01/22/15 (23)
- "I hear it" doesn't constitute proof. - Markw* 01:26:41 01/23/15 (22)
- Actually, - along with measurements, and physical differences - Sordidman 09:35:18 01/23/15 (3)
- Just because you claim to hear something doesn't make it real. - Markw* 10:15:43 01/23/15 (2)
- Oh yes it does: further, it is beyond pompous to claim that - Sordidman 10:42:08 01/23/15 (1)
- Been there, done that. - Markw* 13:55:32 01/23/15 (0)
- RE: "I hear it" doesn't constitute proof. - Dave_K 06:41:40 01/23/15 (17)
- FWIW: Agree with all that you said -t - Sordidman 09:37:59 01/23/15 (0)
- RE: "I hear it" doesn't constitute proof. - Markw* 07:25:37 01/23/15 (15)
- The intolerant dogma preacher accusing others of dogma - Sordidman 09:39:28 01/23/15 (8)
- Hey, you're free to believe what you want to believe. - Markw* 10:13:31 01/23/15 (7)
- You're the dictator, telling everyone that they can't hear - Sordidman 10:46:52 01/23/15 (6)
- No, you're the one telling them what they should hear. - Markw* 13:53:08 01/23/15 (5)
- Cite it, - copy & paste where I said it... Prove it!! LULZ -t - Sordidman 15:29:32 01/23/15 (4)
- Seems you can win $1million by proving you can discern a difference- contact James Randi...go for it! nt - kuribo 16:14:44 01/23/15 (1)
- C'mon boys: let's get together for a listening Par-Tay -t - Sordidman 16:38:35 01/23/15 (0)
- I'm a BIG believer in power cables NOW!....... - audiophile919 15:53:18 01/23/15 (1)
- Well then more power to ya. - Markw* 17:21:43 01/23/15 (0)
- Does "I see it" constitute proof? - genungo 09:36:12 01/23/15 (5)
- As many illusionists have proven, that's not necessarily so. - Markw* 10:11:48 01/23/15 (3)
- RE: As many illusionists have proven - genungo 10:59:47 01/23/15 (1)
- "How many illusionists do you think there are, lurking in the shadows waiting to fool us?" - Markw* 17:23:35 01/23/15 (0)
- "any many people hear things that aren't so" - Sordidman 10:48:58 01/23/15 (0)
- Exactly right...... - Sordidman 09:44:57 01/23/15 (0)
- RE: Observational application of the scientific method - Steve O 16:20:07 01/22/15 (6)
- Listen to a system in context with several different cables in place: easy -t - Sordidman 16:43:32 01/22/15 (5)
- Does that answer my question?... - Steve O 17:31:47 01/22/15 (4)
- Yes: very well thank you. While you're looking things up - Sordidman 17:47:57 01/22/15 (3)
- Before embarking on a journey of personal discovery... - Steve O 18:06:41 01/22/15 (2)
- Not! and especially not an either/or dichotomy - Sordidman 18:51:39 01/22/15 (1)
- RE: Not! and especially not an either/or dichotomy - Sprezza Tura 18:54:35 01/22/15 (0)