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Re: Several comments…

You said - with a quote from me in '><'s:

"> there is no evidence whatsoever that he has owned or listened to any of the products he ridicules.<

We are in full agreement here.

My point was that neither he, nor I, nor most people with an interest/understanding of audio and/or the audio industry need to to listen them to know they do not meet the unsubstantiated claims for sound improvement. It is no different to going to the local market and seeing designer goods on sale for, apparently, 10% of their retail price. Most people do not need to inspect these goods to know they are not real. Instead they rely on their own knowledge of how things work."

And that directly contradicts what you implied in your first post here where you said:

"The subject of the thread was a non-techie and therefore could not draw on knowledge to determine what worked and what did not. He bought various kit, found they did not meet the advertised claims and posted accordingly. Seems pretty reasonable to me."

So originally you claimed he bought these products and personally found they didn't work.

Frankly, I don't think it's reasonable to make the sort of claims he makes about products he hasn't tried. There's nothing in them but ridicule, and no technical reasons given for the ridicule, but you seemed to find that ok through most of this thread.

Re the elevators: you imply that you've tried them and heard nothing. That doesn't mean that I heard nothing. I've used them now with 3 different sets of cables and the results have been diffeerent with each. They do nothing I can detect with my current cables apart from looking good which is why I still like using them, but my current cables pay attention to electrostatic charges in their construction while my previous ones don't. I also find they don't seem to produce a difference when used on polished floors, but do on floors carpeted with synthetic carpet - depending, of course on cable. Since what I hear varies on circumstances but seems to form a consistent pattern depending on the circumstances, I see reason to have some confidence in what I hear.

And if, as I suggested, it is due to electrostatic charge issues, then the materials used for cable dielectrics and how they are shielded will influence results so, given those factors, there may be a mild change introduced into cable properties by insulating them from floor coverings like carpet.

It's not a big thing and I would hardly suggest playing with elevators to solve major problems in a system, but they may be benificial in helping to get a little bit more out of a good system. Your mileage may definitely vary but nothing you've said proves they don't work - just that some people don't hear anything but that could be because of different circumstances or simply because of individual differences in hearing acuity, or a combination of both.

David Aiken

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